Posted on 03/18/2002 9:15:42 PM PST by d4now
Date: Sat Nov 28 14:19:12 1998
Name: Keith Muscutt
Subject: White, blue-eyed, bearded Atlanteans, Martian, etc.
Comments: As the author of Warriors..., I need to make my personal position clear on some of the issues raised in this forum.
Despite speculation, sensationalism, and flat-out money-grubbing lies, none of the researchers I respect have ever encountered
anything in the Chachapoya area (modern or ancient) which suggests or requires the intervention of any of the following
in the establishment and florescence of the Chachapoya civilization:
Blue-eyed, bearded white men; Egyptians; Phoenicians; Martians; Atlanteans; Lost tribes of Israelites; Mormons; Irish priests paddling corracles; etc.
Indeed, all the scientific evidence suggests that indigenous, native-American cultures developed entirely independent of Old World
(or interplanetary) contact subsequent to the initial human immigrations into the Americas.
My views on this subject are clearly spelled out in "Warriors..." for anyone who cares to read them.
Personally, I remain open to the possibility of trans-Pacific and/or trans-Atlantic contact.
There is some circumstantial evidence to that effect which has been presented by reputable authorities,
but nothing which convinces me so far. I find it disappointing that so many people continue to invoke mysterious, unsubstantiated, and worse yet unsubstantiable, causes behind the development of ancient American civilizations.
In some cases these opinions seem tinged with a kind of racist assumption that native-Americans do not have the intellectual skills to develop high levels of culture.
Others are simply engaged in flights of fantasy. Feel free to continue discussing these issues here.
However, I hope some of the contributors will chime in occasionally to challenge irrational or misinformed claims.
Thank you. Your host, Keith Muscutt.
Yes, I believe the same. Look at this about the Guanchas and this. I think the Guanchas were related to the Chachapoyas.
gnarledmaw, you may find these links interesting.
Yes I remember last time I couldn't find the eye-witness account of the hiker who described the blond, tall, white natives in detail who were probably the descendents of the Chachapoya. About all I still have is anothers cricket's link.
Could well be. I usually refer back to America B.C. by Harvards Dr. Barry Fell when it comes to this sort of find in the Americas. It's a great eye opener and starting point, and he attributes many of these finds to early "proto-Celts".
Thanks, I have the book. Also, I have Assyrian Tablets on order.
E. Raymond Capt
This is the one I ordered.
Yours would look more like larger versions of this juvenile...
Of course Floridians are missing out on all the sturgeon fun. They will never know what its like to cut giant holes in the ice in
-20 degree weather and spend the day staring at a decoy down in the hole, a beer in one hand and a spear in the other.
Ha ha...thanks for the chuckle - just what I needed this cold and snowing morning.
>E. Raymond Capt
>This is the one I ordered.
Yep, that's the one. I saw some of those Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum years ago but never realized how important they are. They were translated long ago, but the results never organized and analyzed. Raymond Capt came along and in ~1985 made sense of at least part of them with this book. Shows how Archeology can make a MAJOR impact on our understanding of history.
Thor Heyerdahl would probably agree with at least the trans-Atlantic part of that theory.
. . .do not doubt they saw it in the stars; but the Spaniards with their cannons surely hastened their star time. . .
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