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KEYES: "Born alive, no more to die!"
WorldnetDaily ^ | 3/18/02 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 03/18/2002 1:19:17 PM PST by Keyes For President

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To: rdf
I am looking foward to placing my primary vote for O'Malley tomorrow. I am sick of lip-service politicians like Jim Ryan; I want to elect someone that actually believes in what he preaches in public. I truly feel that Pat O'Malley does and I pray that he wins the IL primary tomorrow. We really need some moral and honest politicians here!
21 posted on 03/18/2002 5:33:03 PM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
The Court based their ruling under the judicial-made philosophy of the right to privacy, which is a right that is found nowhere in the U.S. Constitution. The 4th Amendment protects us from illegal search and seizure, but the Founders did not include the absolute right to privacy for a reason; this would be a dangerous breeding ground for criminal activity and thwarted police investigations.

You are correct, of course. Leaving morality aside, Roe V. Wade is just plain bad law. It should be overturned on legal principle alone.

Of course, abortion is morally indefensible and the right to life must be protected for all, especially the unborn who cannot fend for themselves.

22 posted on 03/18/2002 5:35:48 PM PST by Keyes For President
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To: Keyes For President
Abortion is horrible and impossible to defend, that is correct. But I have come to believe that the best way to fight abortion is through the law and using the inconsitency of the Supreme Court and their unconstitutional judge-made rights against them.
23 posted on 03/18/2002 5:52:56 PM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rdf
Here is a heartfelt bump for Stanek and O'Malley!

Here's one more!

24 posted on 03/18/2002 5:53:20 PM PST by Keyes For President
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To: usconservative
Good luck and give Jill our thanks from CT!
25 posted on 03/18/2002 5:55:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Justice Blackmun stated if the unborn were persons then they would be protected by the 5th and 14th amendments. My question for Harry is, if they are not persons, read human beings, just what the heck are they?

Blackmun based the majority opinion on just this, he stated that there was no consensus on when life began because he knew that the Constitution acknowledges the right to life and its primacy over liberty and property.

President Bush understands this which is why he is moving slowly but inexorably toward defining the unborn as persons. It is a good strategy and I commend him for what he is doing.

26 posted on 03/18/2002 6:03:32 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Justice Blackmun stated if the unborn were persons then they would be protected by the 5th and 14th amendments. My question for Harry is, if they are not persons, read human beings, just what the heck are they?

Blackmun based the majority opinion on just this, he stated that there was no consensus on when life began because he knew that the Constitution acknowledges the right to life and its primacy over liberty and property.

President Bush understands this which is why he is moving slowly but inexorably toward defining the unborn as persons. It is a good strategy and I commend him for what he is doing.

27 posted on 03/18/2002 6:03:56 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
I know that in this particular Supreme Court brief, the Justices did not want to determine when exactly a fetus was viable. In their opinion, they stated that in the 3rd trimester the states had the power to further regulate and even prohibit abortion. Unfortunately, in Stenberg v. Carhart (2000), the Supreme Court stated that a woman could have a partial birth abortion if her mental, emotional, or physical health was at risk. In terms of complete inconsistency, they did not revoke the parts of ruling in Roe v. Wade that conflicted with the ruling in Stenberg v. carhart.
28 posted on 03/18/2002 6:15:45 PM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: jwalsh07
"Justice Blackmun stated if the unborn were persons then they would be protected by the 5th and 14th amendments."

I believe that you mean the 9th and the 14th amendments to the Constitution. The 5th Amendment deals with the rights of criminal defendents, i.e. the right against self-incrimination, right to counsel, etc.

29 posted on 03/18/2002 6:18:25 PM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Keyes For President
BUMP!
30 posted on 03/18/2002 6:23:47 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Keyes For President
Thanks for this poat.

How disgusting is it that Jill Stanek discovered live-birth abortions at Christ Hospital outside Chicago? Still gives me chills....

31 posted on 03/18/2002 6:37:17 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Christ Hospital is still a prime stopping point for abortion protesters. The disgust that God must have in naming a hospital after Him, that conducts abortions.
32 posted on 03/18/2002 6:56:48 PM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Mr. Thorne
Thanks for the bump and a rebump.

patent

33 posted on 03/18/2002 8:03:57 PM PST by patent
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To: jwalsh07
"Justice Blackmun stated if the unborn were persons then they would be protected by the 5th and 14th amendments."

How does a baby plead the 5th? Just Kidding:)

34 posted on 03/18/2002 8:49:30 PM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Keyes For President
Thanks for the ping.
35 posted on 03/18/2002 9:03:47 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
No, I meant the fifth and so did Blackmun.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

36 posted on 03/19/2002 4:06:37 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Abortion on demand has its origins in two cases, Roe and Doe.

Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton

37 posted on 03/19/2002 4:10:42 AM PST by jwalsh07
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I understand what you are saying, I do know that other parties were allowed to intervene in this case. But you need to understand that even though the Jane Doe you are talking about was indeed mentioned in the Roe v. Wade brief, the Court had decided that John and Mary Doe did not have standing to sue, so I don't know why you are bringing their case up. Rather, the Court had decided that it was Jane Roe who had standing to sue, that she presented a justiciable controversy, that the termination of her 1970 pregnancy did not render the case moot; so the Court moved to the merits and substances of the Roe case. The Roe case did not make it to the Supreme Court because of a writ of certiori, but rather because Henry Wade, the District Attorney of Dallas County, cross-appealed on the district court's grant of declaratory relief to Roe and to a physician who intervened, while Roe appealed on the district court's ruling to bar injunctive relief.

In the Roe case, the issues at hand were whether or not the Texas statute, outlawing abortion, violated Jane Roe's rights under the 9th and the 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Justice Blacknum said:

"The Constitution does not explicitly mention any right of privacy. In line of decisions, however, going back perhaps as far as Union Pacific r. co. v botsford, the Court has recognized that a right of personal prvacy, or guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy, does exhist under the Constitution....This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. The detriment that the State would impose upon the pregnant woman by denying this choice altogether is apparent. Specific and direct harm medically diagnosable even in early pregnancy may be involved. Maternity, or additional offspring, may force upon the woman a distressful life and future. Psychological harm may be imminent. Mental and physical health may be taxed by child care. There is also the distress, for all concerned, associated with the unwanted child, and there is the problem of bringing a child into a family already unable, psychologically and otherwise, to care for it. In other cases, as in this one, the additional difficulties and continuing stigma of unwed motherhood may be involved. All these are factors the woman and her responsible physician necessarily will consider in consultation.

On the basis of elements such as these, appellant and some amici argue that the woman's right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree. Appellant's arguments that Texas either has no valid interest at all in regulating the abortion decision, or no interest strong enough to support any limitation upon the woman's sole determination, are unpersuasive. The Court's decisions recognizing a right of privacy also acknowledge that some state regulation in areas protected by that right is appropriate. As noted above, a State may properly assert important interests in safeguarding health, in maintaining medical standards, and in protecting potential life. At some point in pregnancy, these respective interests become sufficiently compelling to sustain regulation of the factors that govern the abortion decision. The privacy right involved, therefore, cannot be said to be absolute. In fact, it is not clear to us that the claim asserted by some amici that one has an unlimited right to do with one's body as one pleases bears a close relationship to the right of privacy previously articulated in the Court's decisions. The Court has refused to recognize an unlimited right of this kind in the past. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905) (vaccination); Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927) (sterilization).

We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation."

So, as I stated before, I still interpret this case to revolve around the 9th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

38 posted on 03/19/2002 8:49:42 AM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
"We must protect human life from conception."

You do realize if you place the emphasis on "from" and not "conception", this phrase could be a mantra of the abortion lobby. ie conception is the enemy.

39 posted on 03/19/2002 9:02:38 AM PST by realpatriot
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To: FreedominJesusChrist; Keyes For President
Oops, above reply is for Keyes For President. BTW, I love both of your nicks!
40 posted on 03/19/2002 9:06:50 AM PST by realpatriot
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