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Is Alan Keyes Making Sense?
Strike The Root ^ | March 13, 2002 | Jef Allen

Posted on 03/16/2002 1:32:37 PM PST by humbletheFiend

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To: uncbob
Actually the founders didn't foresee universal sufferage . There were qualifications left to the states to decide.

Problem is TOO many people have the right to vote.

I believe that Dr. Keyes believes in women's suffrage.

I'm not absolutely positive about that, though.

41 posted on 03/16/2002 2:33:26 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: LarryLied
Alan's comments about peasants and theologians is right from Leo Strauss--Bill Kristol's hero. Keyes not only roomed with Kristol at Harvard, they both developed a similar political philosophy--the Straussian idea that an enlightened elite must guide the peasants.

I think you're talking about ancient rumors here, aren't you? I don't think that Kristol and Keyes actually "roomed" together, did they?

And, in any event, Dr. Keyes is now a "Bush Republican."

42 posted on 03/16/2002 2:40:45 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: humbletheFiend
I believe Alan Keyes is a brilliant man and a great conservative thinker, but watching his show makes me nervous as heck. Too much fidgeting, hand gestures and voice raising! I know those are lousy reasons, but I just can't take more than 5 minutes of Making Sense because of them.
43 posted on 03/16/2002 2:40:50 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: LarryLied
Your distortion:

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Alan's comments about peasants and theologians is right from Leo Strauss--Bill Kristol's hero. Keyes not only roomed with Kristol at Harvard, they both developed a similar political philosophy--the Straussian idea that an enlightened elite must guide the peasants.

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Keyes actual and recent words:

"Among the many responsibilities and privileges of a free people, one of the noblest is the task of forming and maintaining principled resolve in time of war. Citizens of the free American Republic must supply something beyond what was demanded of the subjects of warlike kingdoms. Along with willing soldiers and a beehive of impassioned support at home, we must supply as well the sustained national act of will to prosecute the war. And this will must be formed from a genuine understanding that our cause is just. Our leaders can and must help in this – indeed, there may be no more important responsibility they face than ensuring that we only wield the sword when our cause is just. But the ultimate responsibility is ours."

*****

'nuff said.

44 posted on 03/16/2002 2:44:26 PM PST by rdf
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To: rdf
Great post.

Have you finished putting down that little paleo-Keyesian uprising over at Declaration Foundation yet?

45 posted on 03/16/2002 2:47:02 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: humbletheFiend
Have you finished putting down that little paleo-Keyesian uprising over at Declaration Foundation yet?

I think it's more "lewrockwell" types, and a dear old enemy who calls himself "Thomas Aquinas Paine" than it is Keyesians of any stripe!

And I still reject your neo/paleo distinction, but I do find it charming ...

Cheers,

Richard F.

46 posted on 03/16/2002 2:50:03 PM PST by rdf
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The Keyes column from WND was posted at the following URL and got a few hits.. Should anyone be interested in looking at it......

Shunning the intolerable

47 posted on 03/16/2002 2:53:21 PM PST by deport
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To: LarryLied
...the Straussian idea that an enlightened elite must guide the peasants.

You're so full of crap on that one I feel like sending you a bulk pack of toilet paper.
48 posted on 03/16/2002 2:54:33 PM PST by Registered
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Its an amazing day, I completely agree with you! Keyes is just a camera loving ego-addict, as much as O'Reilly is.

Ditto! Both are embarrassments. I guess that's why they don't do each other's shows. Ego size = Doublewide.

49 posted on 03/16/2002 2:54:47 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: rdf
And I still reject your neo/paleo distinction, but I do find it charming ...

Well, I know that it can't be that easy for you right now, with one foot in the past and one in the future.

But I'm keeping an eye on you and I think you're coming along pretty well, for the most part. I know that deep down inside you're as thrilled as I am to have the real Alan Keyes back.

BTW, a question came up that I couldn't readily answer. Does Alan support the Nineteenth Amendment?

50 posted on 03/16/2002 2:55:16 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: Registered
Watch it now, you'll the thread pulled! General cease fire in force, and so on ...

Cheers,

Richard F.

51 posted on 03/16/2002 3:04:17 PM PST by rdf
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To: humbletheFiend
BTW, a question came up that I couldn't readily answer. Does Alan support the Nineteenth Amendment?

Sure, but it's a Straussian support, so it really means he's against it...

Sarcasm off ...

Seriously he does, it's the Sixteenth he's against.

52 posted on 03/16/2002 3:09:13 PM PST by rdf
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To: VA Advogado
I just didn't want you to get away without an opportunity to visit the Declaration Foundation.

Keep the faith.

53 posted on 03/16/2002 3:10:33 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: VA Advogado
Keyes is a pompous bore.

Speaking of it taking one to know one. Since the topic here is whether or not one supports such activities as the despicable attack on he 9/11 survivors by the cartoonist Ted Rall, and we all know that you would never violate FR rules by going off topic on your first post to a thread, I take it that you support Mr. Rall and his anti-American hate. Or perhaps you take the position of the writer of the article, Jef Allen, and despise Keyes for being too slavish a Bush supporter.

Which is it, VA?
1) You hate America;
2) You hate President Bush;
3) You hate Jim Robinson and Free Republic by violating the forum rules against going off-topic or attacking GOP candidates?

Whichever it is, it is clear that you are a hater, and a really sick puppy!

54 posted on 03/16/2002 3:16:40 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; humbletheFiend
Or perhaps you take the position of the writer of the article, Jef Allen, and despise Keyes for being too slavish a Bush supporter.

Jef Allen is obviously a paleo-Keyesian.

55 posted on 03/16/2002 3:19:45 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Check out the website whence the anti-Keyes column originates.

It's one of the anti-Lincoln, anti-GOP network.

Worth browsing ...

Richard F.

56 posted on 03/16/2002 3:20:10 PM PST by rdf
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Or perhaps you take the position of the writer of the article, Jef Allen, and despise Keyes for being too slavish a Bush supporter.

I think it's most likely the latter - some people now "despise Keyes for being too slavish a Bush supporter." The return of the real Alan Keyes has been a source of a great deal of pain for some of the paleo-Keyesians.

Bush-Keyes in 2004!

57 posted on 03/16/2002 3:21:57 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: Amelia
Jef Allen is obviously a paleo-Keyesian.

That seems pretty clear to me,
even if he doesn't himself realize it yet.

58 posted on 03/16/2002 3:23:34 PM PST by humbletheFiend
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To: humbletheFiend
Allen is a paleo-Vallandighamite.
59 posted on 03/16/2002 3:25:31 PM PST by rdf
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To: NittanyLion
I know those are lousy reasons, but I just can't take more than 5 minutes of Making Sense because of them.

Try covering the picture or tune it to invisibility, if this is a problem for you.

60 posted on 03/16/2002 3:27:48 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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