Is Alan Keyes Making Sense?

Strike The Root ^ | March 13, 2002 | Jef Allen

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

You are trying to start a fight and that has been heavily discouraged by the management.

We have said nothing personal to you and I suggest you practice the same restraint.

[rdf]

I don't see how you expect anyone to care about what you say, given your refusal to enter into argument.

You bump the thread, but otherwise you merely repeat your negative judgment of Keyes. It isn't in the least interesting.

When you do give an argument or evidence, it is, sometimes, worth responding to. Really, I fail to see what the point of your being here is. I'd add the same for those who endlessly repeat thier negative view of the man, but don't advance the discussion.

FR is a big forum, and I'd think you'd prefer to post elsewhere.

We'd probably all be in better spirits if you'd just leave this itch unscratched.

Am I missing something?

Best wishes, in any event,

Richard F.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

You are trying to start a fight and that has been heavily discouraged by the management.

The management has also ordered us to stop bashing Keyes, Bush, or other GOP candidates. Looks like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

[Polnick]

Pure crap. World history is replete with examples of the people's realization of the follie of the course the national leadership takes. Witness the Vietnam war. The "leaders" get so ego involved in the course they set as to be blind to alternatives. I will argue national interest with George Bush any day.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Now Hear This:

The constant feuding on these Keyes threads ends today! If you cannot come onto a thread without getting into a flamewar, just stay off it! It is ridiculous that we cannot have a political discussion without tearing into each other. Over and over and over and over. Sheesh! Enough already!

200 posted on 3/7/02 11:09 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson

This is the message, minus a few lines.

There is plenty of criticism of President Bush that happens all over this forum, with no consequence. All people have done here is offer their opinions - there is no excuse for getting personal.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I don't see how you expect anyone to care about what you say, given your refusal to enter into argument.

I care what he has to say, Richard, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one. I would have imagined you would appreciate someone whose opinion differs from yours, and who manages to express himself without getting personal.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Stating that one believes someone to be phony is extremely mild and can hardly be called bashing. It doesn't come close to what has been said about President Bush many times....many threads.

Regardless, you are trying to instigate trouble as you have in the past and I'm not going to help you. Sorry !!!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

There is plenty of criticism of President Bush that happens all over this forum, with no consequence

Yes you Bashers have to stop it, whether it is through your personal attacks on the President, or by attacking his most articulate defenders, such as Ambassador Keyes. Mr. Keyes leadership as a Bush supporter is the main subject of this thread, and has been acknowledged by some of your former associates. When are you people going to stop bashing the President!

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Just for the record, Larry........

I happen to enjoy reading your thoughts and opinions. Last I checked there is room for many different points of view here. Have things changed?

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I'm content to let #168 stand without a response. It speaks quite well for itself.

[Torie]

This thread is entering into the entropy zone. Sad really. It had its moments.

[rdf]

This thread is entering into the entropy zone. Sad really. It had its moments.

My sentiments exactly, so I'm turning in for the night.

Even if you don't believe, God bless you!

Richard F.

[LarryLied]

Thanks. I do think mentioning that Keyes engages in sophomoric twaddle he learned at Harvard is a valid point. I believe I was the first to mention Alan's debt to Leo Strauss on any of these threads. Keyes' use of endless Socratic arguments and his condescension turn viewers off. And when people claim these rote techniques show eloquence....well...it is difficult not to comment.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

it is difficult not to comment

.......and without comments and opinions what would this forum be?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Stating that one believes someone to be phony is extremely mild and can hardly be called bashing.

This is certainly true, but how does 'Well, well, I guess you showed up to bash Howlin, . . . Might I add that this is the most lucid analysis you two have shown on this subject in a long time!' amount to trying to start a fight? You do realize that lucid means 'Easily understood; intelligible.' If you consider this to be an attack you are remarkably thin-skinned!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

This thread is entering into the entropy zone. Sad really. It had its moments.

Yes, a lot has been accomplished here, I think. It is sad that people come onto a thread with no idea of the context, and try to pirate it. On the other hand, there are some here who apparently have a personal obsession with attacking someone, even without cause.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I don't deny being confused sometimes but I don't think you were bashed by me or by Daughter on this thread.

It's been mentioned a couple of times and I thought we better make sure you had a heads up. I have no clue what it refers to.........no clue whatsoever.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I'm content to let #168 stand without a response. It speaks quite well for itself.

I agree, my #168 is a fair representation of the content of this thread, too bad you don't realize that.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

.......and without comments and opinions what would this forum be?

It would be a gathering of "'yes' men", and I can't believe that would be interesting to anyone. What would be the point?

I would like to voice my agreement that LarryLied's posts are substantive and interesting. Regardless of what kind of personal insults are thrown his way, he does not respond in kind. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - this forum could use more like him.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

It's been mentioned a couple of times and I thought we better make sure you had a heads up. I have no clue what it refers to.........no clue whatsoever.

Truer words have rarely been spoken. If you would read a thread before commenting on it, or at least look at referenced posts, you might have a clue.