Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth

The Forward ^

[SauronOfMordor]

The plumber at my house right now is Israeli. Maybe they're on to me.

Did the plumber flee to Israel after initial questioning by the FBI?

[SauronOfMordor]

The first story was that there was no Israeli spying in the US.

When that position started becoming untenable, the new story is: well, yes, there was spying, but they were good-guy spies, only keeping tabs on the bad guys. Yeah, that's the ticket....

[Justin Raimondo]

The Forward is the oldest Jewish periodical in America, Larry, as I think you know. Are you another one who's forgotten to take his meds?

[Justin Raimondo]

The Forward is the oldest Jewish periodical in America, Larry, as I think you know. Are you another one who's forgotten to take his meds?

[LarryLied]

Meds are very important for making sense of some things said on FR.

[Alouette]

The Forward is a notorious antisemitic/anti-Israel rag.

No, it's just a ultra-Left, liberal democrap rag of those kind of jewsies you love to blame everything on.

[LarryLied]

I don't blame everything on liberal Jews. The NAACP, the CBC,the ACLU, the NOW gang, the NEA and Homosexual activists share the guilt. Of course, there is some overlap here.

[Tarakotchi]

I wasn't sure if I was even allowed to link to antiwar.com nowadays (cf. my post 40), so I was surprised to see your column of 3/15 posted and discussed. "Discussed" is not quite the word. Too bad they pulled the thread.

I wanted to comment on your column and the Israeli movers:

You quote David Schmader that the PA incident involved "a stolen truck". I don't think so, actually all the original/only report said is that "the operator's log had been falsified".

Also you suggest Urban Moving Systems (NY) and Moving Systems Incorporated (FL) are the same outfit. As far as I know this has not been established.

Besides the remarkable similarity in names, both are Israeli owned moving companies, with Israeli employees with bad visas, reported as scamming customers (see MovingScam.com Black List). There seem to be many such companies, and there's a network of these companies; part of the reported scam is that you call one but another shows up.

However Moving Systems Incorporated is a separate business entity incorporated in Florida by Simo Elbaz (who also runs SI Trucking Inc., AAA Van Lines Inc., and West Coast Movers Inc. in FL). See Corporations Online

Urban Moving System's web page is gone but still available here. Note they claim to have locations all over the US including Florida. That name isn't incorporated in FL and the number given on the web page doesn't seem to correspond to any of Elbaz's operations.

[Tarakotchi]

The Corporations Online link is great for looking up your favorite Florida corporations like Quality Sales, Universal Art, and Moving Systems Inc. However I found no obvious connections, no overlap of officers or similarity of addresses.

I did find Quality Sales is also known as N.B.S. Supplies Inc. Also Itzchak W. Shish (not Yitzchak) of Universal Art also incorporated a company called Nino Inc., same address, in October 2001. The president is supposedly called Itzchak W. William. There's some Nino Inc. hits on the web but I'm not sure it's the same outfit.

[Tarakotchi]

Sorry make that "Nino Co." not "Inc.".

[dennisw]

 

"Common enemy" blah blah blah -- yeah, we get it, guys: They were watching those Ay-rabs the whole damn time, and they knew -- knew in advance -- what they were up to. And, guess what? -- they didn't tell us.

Over 3,000 died.

And they didn't tell us....

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You are truly the lowest of the low. Trying to blame Israel for this atrocity. The lowest. You have ZERO evidence to base this accusation on. That Israel knew the particulars of what would happen on 9-11 and purposely held them back from US intelligence. Like I said... you are the lowest of the low. Old time anti Semites used to do this s**t and you are now their proud successor.

 

[dennisw]

Just like an  hysterical, illiterate Arab you buy into the myth of the all knowing, all seeing Mossad. Having a child like belief that the Mossad just had to have known in advance of the 9-11 attack and that of course, being that they are Jews, they would have held back such information from the USA.

Some all powerful Mossad this must be that has 5 moving van guys (Mossad operatives ....your claim) arrested while celebrating in a New York City park. Operatives that knew Bin Laden had plans in place to destroy the WTC.

[veronica]

Spy Rumors Fly On Gusts all right, but they have a stench ...mostly of paranoia and conspriracy theories...:)

[Justin Raimondo]

Good detective work !

[Justin Raimondo]

Veronica, dear, let me ask you a question: what would you do if it all turned out to be true? What if the Israelis DID launch a major effort to penetrate US law enforcement and military facilities in the months prior to 9/11, and -- well, we won't go further than that, for now. Would you condemn it? Would you demand a public investigation of "what did they know and when did they know it"? Or would you say, "well, everybody does it, they're our ally, let's make nice...."?

[Catspaw]

This really can't be said enough:

OpinionJournal.com:

The best evidence that there's nothing to this spy story, though, is that Justin Raimondo, who runs the crackpot Antiwar.com Web site, has seized upon it as proof of "Israel's 9/11 connection."

[dennisw]

Veronica, dear, let me ask you a question: what would you do if it all turned out to be true? What if the Israelis DID launch a major effort to penetrate US law enforcement and military facilities in the months prior to 9/11, and -- well, we won't go further than that, for now. Would you condemn it? Would you demand a public investigation of "what did they know and when did they know it"? Or would you say, "well, everybody does it, they're our ally, let's make nice...."?

 

That's a lot of ifs and hypotheticals Raimunda. Because this is just the level you operate on. Ifs and hypotheticals. All to slime Israel. You never try this stunt with the Islamics because you are their water boy. Or cabin boy as the case may be.

If the above were true I would favor US action against Israel.
Now run along Raimunda and lets see if you can dig up something good on the real enemies of America and civilization. The Islamic  Jihad. Think you're up to the task of applying your fantastic investigational skills to the Islamic Jihad or are you just going to gang up on little Israel (population 6 million) with the UN the EU and the Muslim world. You cast your fate with the greedy Arab/Muslim scum who want to kill off Israel. Proud of yourself Raimunda?

 

[Justin Raimondo]

So that's the "best argument" you and the Amen Corner can come up with -- that some overpaid twit over at the War Street Journal doesn't like Antiwar.com? You guys are truly pathetic -- and your rantings are the best argument that what's been uncovered so far about these Israeli spies is just the tip of a very big iceberg.