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Be Afraid, Very Afraid (North Korea Has Nukes, Long-range Missles)
National Review Online ^ | Mar 14, 2002 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 03/14/2002 8:04:12 AM PST by My Identity

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To: putupon
Didn't the Clintons work out a deal where N. Korea agreed not to make nukes?

No one on this thread seems to know that the deal Clinton reached is that we would pay billions in nuclear blackmail money and the North Koreans wouldn't use their nukes on us if we didn't bother them.

And we have paid billions in nuclear blackmail to NK.

The danger now is that Bush doesn't want to continue the payments.

61 posted on 03/14/2002 8:00:49 PM PST by patriciaruth
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To: slimer
As soon as they launch the first missle they will be on the receiving end of total obliteration

There should be no question of that. Someone who has 1 or 3 or 20 nuclear warheads would have to be a fool to attack someone who can send back 1000 times that, and do it again, and again.

62 posted on 03/14/2002 8:06:45 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: boris
Nuke Kim. When he's dead, the army will revolt, and we will be dealing with more reasonable people.
63 posted on 03/14/2002 8:10:38 PM PST by maro
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To: My Identity
LOL So true. And let's not forget that good friend of ours, China, who has been selling Korea the technology that it received curtesy of the Clintons and by out and out theft.
65 posted on 03/14/2002 8:25:10 PM PST by brat
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To: maro
Things are getting more and more dangerous every day. It wouldn't surprise me if NK, Iran, Saudi, or other countries already have long range nuclear weapons. The good news is that if you survive a nearby hit, you do have the RTKBA, so you can shoot yourself rather than die of radiation poisoning.
66 posted on 03/14/2002 8:25:19 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: concerned about politics
Bill Clinton sold everything America had to win his re-election.

I think you have it right.
67 posted on 03/14/2002 8:26:36 PM PST by My Identity
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To: patriciaruth
No one on this thread seems to know that the deal Clinton reached is that we would pay billions in nuclear blackmail money and the North Koreans wouldn't use their nukes on us if we didn't bother them.

See my post 4. Basically that POC Bill bribed them to leave him alone while he was president.
68 posted on 03/14/2002 8:30:26 PM PST by My Identity
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N korea only has a few things worth blowing up. It should not be as difficult as Afghanistan.
69 posted on 03/14/2002 8:34:30 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: TEXICAN II
I don't know if I'd blame them... a few years into the Clinton Administration they had to realize that they had no backing. He was giving more money and support to NK than to them and showing no spine when challenged anywhere else. Seems like a pretty good reason to try to make friends in my book.

Now that Bush and the adults are running our foreign policy, I don't think SK will have any real troubles going to more aggressive relations with NK.

70 posted on 03/14/2002 8:38:30 PM PST by phothus
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To: My Identity
The bottom line is if PAKISTAN has them folks, then it is only reasonable to believe that countries like North Korea, Iraq, Iran and others have them too!

When are people going to get their heads out of the sand and come to the realization that the world consists of mostly ENEMIES of the United States.

There are countries like China and Russia that have nuclear and economic capabilities to spread their hate towards the US to other rogue nations that will not think twice to covertly attack us.

WAKE UP AMERICA

Turn the football game off and your sitcoms; stop worshiping idols made by the hands of man; stop worshiping false gods and repent.

Franklin
SurvivalForum.com
71 posted on 03/14/2002 8:43:26 PM PST by survivalforum.com
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To: BillinDenver
And the reason the North Koreans won't sell nukes to anyone who has the money just like they do everything else in their arsenal is....?
72 posted on 03/14/2002 8:51:00 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: BillinDenver; hchutch
I'm afraid. North Korea has already launched one missile over Japan. Then there was that matter of the North Korean mystery boat that was sunk in Japanese territorial waters a couple of weeks ago. North Korea doesn't need nukes to threaten Japan, they already have with conventional weapons.
73 posted on 03/14/2002 9:21:47 PM PST by altair
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To: survivalforum.com
They hate us because we have lost the distinction between being free and being libertine. If Conservative principles were established once more, most of the world would envy us once again.

As it is, most of the world, which is basically Conservative, barring Europe, would at least sympathize with us. I blame this course of events on the Gramscian Marxists, i.e., the Democrats, idiot liberals, the sinners, who must necessarily propogate their sin in order to justify their continuation of such, to whom no standard is to low.

To be a democrat is akin to voting for heroin addicts who want their children to also be heroin addicts.

74 posted on 03/14/2002 9:31:25 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: survivalforum.com
Thanks. I'm checking it out, but they won't let me get into the chatroom. I don't know why. Any pointers?
75 posted on 03/14/2002 9:43:19 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: altair
Most likely, we have deployed tactical nukes to Japan. I would nto be surprised to see Japan develop their own nuclear arsenal in the next 10 to 15 years, though.
76 posted on 03/15/2002 4:25:35 AM PST by hchutch
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To: boris
Carter wasn't "sent" by X42. He went to NK in 1994 without authorization and negotiated a "nonproliferation" treaty on his own. In exchange for billions in aid, Kim Sung agreed to "freeze" North Korea's nuclear program. X42 then signed on and acted like Carter was an emissary.

I happened to be in theater and have said ever since that Carter should have been tried for treason.

77 posted on 03/15/2002 4:55:25 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
"Carter wasn't "sent" by X42. He went to NK in 1994 without authorization"

This is not my recollection. Can anyone resolve this issue?

If Carter went without authorization, then he would be a felon, just like Jesse Jackson, for violating 18 USC 953, which reads:

Sec. 953. - Private correspondence with foreign governments

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

78 posted on 03/15/2002 6:49:30 AM PST by boris
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To: boris
From FAS Archives;

Text: *EPF507

06/10/94 JIMMY CARTER TO VISIT SOUTH KOREA AND NORTH KOREA (Text: Announcement by Jimmy Carter 6/9) (200) Atlanta -- Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter and his wife have been invited to visit South Korea and North Korea. They will go as private citizens.

Following is the text of the June 9 announcement: (begin text) STATEMENT FROM FORMER U.S.PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER ANNOUNCING HIS PLANS TO VISIT KOREA My wife Rosalynn and I will be visiting North Korea and South Korea next week. We will be going as private citizens, representing the Carter Center. The initiative for this trip has been from Korea, not Washington, and I will have no official status relating to the U.S. government. Since 1991, I have received numerous invitations to make this visit, and on one occasion sent a Carter Center advance team to both countries to prepare for my prospective trip. As is the case with other international issues since leaving the White House, I have attempted to stay adequately briefed on the Korean situation. My hope is to discuss some of the important issues of the day with leaders in the area.

(Emphasis mine)

79 posted on 03/15/2002 11:38:20 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
You can read this as supporting or discouraging your interpretation:

Freelance diplomacy

That was the situation when Carter called President Bill Clinton on June 1, 1994, to express his concern about the crisis. The White House arranged for Amb. Robert Gallucci to go to Carter's home in Plains, Georgia, to brief the former president on June 5. Gallucci, who had been trying without success to put more American give into the diplomatic give-and-take, recited the history of the diplomatic effort in some detail, including the administration's internal differences. Far from mollifying Carter, this meeting convinced him of "the seriousness of the problem" and the need to communicate directly with Kim Il Sung-"the only person in North Korea who could change the course of events." After the briefing Carter sent a letter to President Clinton saying he intended to go to North Korea.

To North Korea, which had just been denied a meeting with an assistant secretary of state, a visit by a former president, especially one who had tried to ease tensions on the Korean peninsula when he was in office, was a token of American respect. Carter was someone Kim Il Sung could do business with.

To the Clinton administration, the Carter mission was a gamble. If he freelanced, he could always be disowned, but not without political repercussions. Even if he succeeded, the administration would be open to criticism by Republicans and South Koreans who disparaged Carter's willingness to take risks for peace. Yet turning down the former president was also risky, especially if it came to be portrayed publicly as a missed opportunity to avoid war. In the end Carter won Clinton's assent.

Carter flew to Washington June 10. He was met at the airport by National Security Adviser Anthony Lake and National Security Council staff member Daniel Poneman. Lake tried to make clear, says a top official, that "Carter's role was to offer [the North Koreans] a way out. It was not to offer them a new American policy that turned everything around." Lake told Carter that he had no authority to speak for the United States, that he was going, in Carter's words, "without any clear instructions or official endorsement."

Carter then received another lengthy briefing from Gallucci and others. It covered the technical issues-what was permitted under the nonproliferation treaty and what was not, where the North Korean program stood--and differing views on the relative importance of ascertaining how much plutonium the North may have reprocessed in the past or curtailing its current program. It also dealt with whether Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il was running things in Pyongyang.

80 posted on 03/15/2002 7:31:12 PM PST by boris
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