So where is the plane?

WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/10/02 | Geoff Metcalf

[ProudEagle]

Outstanding, and thanks for the post. However you do realize that you summarily taken away a weeks worth of show topic for Art Bell?? Let's see.....500+mph into a solid object. I'm surprised there was that much of it left. And did Mr. Metcalffe bother to note the size of the hole left by a 757 in Pennsylvania? Not much left there either.

[Palmetto]

How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building?

A Boeing 757 is not 45 ft. high. Not even close, unless maybe you include the rudder, which would have almost zero impact consequences.

The people running this site know this as well as anyone, so their argument can be considered intentionally deceptive, and all other "evidence" therefore ignored.

They're going to have to come up with something better than this to discredit Barbara Olsen.

[unamused]

Naahh....somebody'll just start a new thread on it tomorrow...

[ProudEagle]

I just sent that photo to Geoff Metcalf/WND and asked him to let the dead rest in peace. I also sent it to the email address link on the french website and asked them to place it on the series of photos they have on their conspiracy page. Wanna bet they won't do it?

[aristeides]

Your link and the links in the thread referred to in #50 appear to have gone dead. I have yet to see a picture in which my untutored eye can recognize either a plane or plane wreckage.

If that plane was overflying D.C. that morning, it does seem very odd that no pictures have appeared anywhere of the plane in flight.

[Teacher317]

maybe this will work? It's a large photo with the upper 70% being firefighters in the smoky distance (70-100 ft) trying to put out the building fire. In the bright green grassy foreground is a man-sized piece of aluminum with what appears to be part of a red curve (circle?) with a thin white border around it. The rest of the piece is unpainted, with lines of regular rivets showing. The curvature of the piece is pretty tight, making me think it might be from the tail, because it's far too small and regular to be from a main part of the fuselage.

[ProudEagle]

You're correct. Underneath and just forward of the horizontal stabilizer assembly (tail section). The rounded "cheat lines" of the striping are where the left and right fuselage paint scheme meets underneath the back of the aircraft. The photo can be tricky, but judging from the distance from the building one can get a sense of the ferocity and violence of the impact. God rest their souls.

[aristeides]

Yes, that link worked. I am close to being satisfied. Can you tell us anything about the source of the photo

I guess I never doubted seriously that a plane hit the Pentagon. But I was and continue to be puzzled that photos like this have only appeared now, and that we still have no pictures of the plane in flight before it hit the Pentagon. Can it be true that no one took such pictures, over half an hour after the second plane hit the WTC?

[unamused]

No bet.....

[Texaggie79]

It got pulled!!! It MUST be a FR conspiracy!!!

[demdesur]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/642172/posts still exists with some discussion. Thought this was open discussion... not sure why threads are getting pulled.

[Texaggie79]

No, G.I. is open discussion............. We need more G.I.ers

[ctdonath2]

I have also viewed the MSNBC footage over two dozen times and I still can't see the plane. Can you?

Yes. It's right there on the far right of the first picture, and not there in the next picture. Flip rapidly between the two and it's OBVIOUS. As long reported, the plane actually hit the ground just in front of the building first, sliding/smearing a hundred feet or so before actually impacting the building.

1. ... How can a Boeing 757-200 – weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour – only have damaged the outside of the Pentagon?

Easy: the impact is comparable to throwing a water balloon at someone's feet. The water balloon may weigh a pound or two - equivalent to about 1% of the target's weight - but the balloon quickly bursts and the water spreads. Likewise behavior of a 100 ton airplane hitting a 10,000 ton kevlar-wrapped steel-reinforced multi-layer hardened-concrete wall: the fragile skin of the plane (just 1/8th-inch aluminum) bursts and fuel (most of the weight) spreads rapidly. That the plane actually hit the ground first (a glancing blow a hundred feet or so away) means disintegration was well underway before reaching the wall.

2. ... How can a plane 44.7 feet high, over 155 feet long, with a wingspan of almost 125 feet and a cockpit almost 12 feet high, crash into just the ground floor of this building?

As repeated above, the plane obliquely impacted the ground first, smushing it flat, then slid into the ground floor. Again, flip between the first two security photos: the plane was very low compared to the building.

3. ... Where is the debris? Any debris! Did it all disintegrate on contact?

Like this?

How many times must we post that picture?

4. ... What happened to the wings of the aircraft? Why isn't there any wing damage?

Again, the plane hit the ground first, disintegrating the wings (which aren't much) and releasing fuel. There's damage, just not much compared to what was caused by the fire.

5. One journalist asked: "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?"

When a plane hits something essentially immovable (like a rock-like building, or the ground at ~90 degrees), there's not much left of the plane. This is obvious from many plane crash photos.

What did happen to the plane? Where is it?

I really want to believe there was a plane, but I've never seen a plane crash with no wreckage. Where is it?

DUDE! IT CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON WITH A FULL LOAD OF FUEL AND BURNED! That doesn't leave much left, and yes there were pieces lying around. If we fling you into a brick wall at 100 MPH, there won't be much left either; there isn't much difference.

[ctdonath2]

Know of anyplace where large versions of th images from that sequence can be found?

Those are TV camera images - that's as big as they get.

[demdesur]

Here are more facts - http://www.humanunderground.com/11september/pent.html

That piece of the plane was all that was left that far in front of the building... and nothing else in between. Give me a break.

[Sloth]

This is just plain stupid. The plane penetrated deep into the building. Just because the roof didn't cave in doesn't mean the inner rings weren't hit. Hell, where are the planes that hit the WTC? If I can't see a big ol' fuselage, I don't have to believe in 'em, do I? Maybe the Jews did it with bombs and holograms!