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Mark Steyn: Sorry, Mr President, you've lost a fan
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 03/10/2002 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 03/09/2002 3:49:01 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 03/09/2002 3:49:01 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; LarryLied; kattracks; JohnHuang2...
Ping for the MSPL.
2 posted on 03/09/2002 3:50:50 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Steyn in on the Mark, as usual.  The rust belt can't
compete with domestic minimills, so we get to alienate
our allies in the middle of a war.  For what, the union vote?
 Ronald Reagan was a conservative.  Dubya is Doughboy.

3 posted on 03/09/2002 4:05:50 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Pokey78
And this is why he has always been my favorite columnist. For all his backing of Bush, when it conflicts with his true beliefs, Steyn doesn't continue to do so.
4 posted on 03/09/2002 4:08:30 PM PST by riley1992
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To: Pokey78
Who the hell are you that he should live up to your expectations?!
5 posted on 03/09/2002 4:16:21 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Godfollow
Who the hell are you that he should
live up to your expectations?!

In my case, someone who voted for
a man who said he believed in free trade.

Steel Trap: How Subsidies and
Protectionism Weaken the U.S.
Steel Industry. On March 6 President
Bush is expected to announce
specific measures to further insulate
the domestic steel industry from import
competition. Although decades of protectionism
and subsidization have only hastened the
 industry’s demise, steel companies have returned
 to the trough, asking the administration to defy
basic economics and common sense.

6 posted on 03/09/2002 4:27:40 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Pokey78
All presidents are, after all, Giants public servants. Steyn is looking for giants and rulers. What we have here is what we have had 42 times before, an elected public servant.

Every 4 years the servants come to beg for our votes. We live in a "Representative Republic" and it is free to the extent that politicians are free to do the public will. They have no choice. Those that get elected and re-elected do as much of what they believe in as they have public support to do. They, being servants, must do what enough of what their bosses, the public, demands in order to get re-elected. If the pubic senses a candidate won't do what they want they will not elect him. And if after he is in office, he fails to do what the public wants, the public fires him.

This is a nation of the people, by the people and for the people. And if a politican fails to do what the people want, he will be run over by the people. Ask Jimmy Carter how that works.

Bush made a promise to the Steel workers in West Virginia that if they got him their 4 electoral votes and he was elected, they would get their tarrifs. It is the kind of promise servants often make. Clinton made the promise in 1992, 1996 and Gore did in 2000. Clinton did not keep his word, neither would Gore, but Bush did.

Styen if he thought rather than felt would have known that Bush would keep the promise made late in the 2,000 campaign. Without it Bush would not be president. But Steyn is a journalist and as such has no concept of keeping one's word. It is not a concept journalists understand.

Presidents from both sides of the spectrum enact what they and the public agree on. They also have to do what they don't agree with. When the public that elects them wants it they do it. When the public did not want health care Clinton could not get it done. When they wanted welfare reform, he knew far better than to oppose it.

The president is a servant. He is a public servant. Our representative republic is made up of states. And the candiddate that carries enough states will be president. It was a way that our founding fathers made to give Steel workers in WVA far more clout than their popular vote allowed. It was a way to control they trynany of the majority. It amazingly still works.

Men like Steyn look at men like Bush and Clinton as if they were the all powerful wizards of oz. They are not. They are our humble servants looking for votes.

What they do is try to please enough voters in the right states to get elected and re-elected.

What part of "In the USA the people rule!" do you suppose Steyn hates most?.


7 posted on 03/09/2002 4:37:08 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
What they do is try to please enough voters in the right states to get elected and re-elected.

Tator, you're a breath of fresh air, as usual.

This is a shot over the bow of big steel and big steel unions.

Three years from now, if they don't have their act together, Bush, in his second term, will pull the tariffs.

If Steyn deserts Bush over this, then he was a fair weather supporter in the first place.

Bush made a promise, and he kept it. I don't agree with this move, but I admire Bush for keeping a promise.

8 posted on 03/09/2002 4:45:51 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Pokey78
Mark Steyn ping: How in the world could Bush do this to the Brits and Aussies?
9 posted on 03/09/2002 4:46:44 PM PST by BenR2
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To: Pokey78
Sorry Mark, I usually love your column, but this one stinks. President Bush has given the steel industry a three year break to get themselves up to speed. It's something he had to do because we can not be at the mercy of foreign steel when we're in the middle of a war.

During peace, you can let an industry like steel shake itself out, but not now. There are several countries who are subsidizing their steel exports with their taxpayer money and we can't afford to let our industry slip off at a time when we might well need it. Yes, there is steel in a lot of things, cars, refrigerators, stuff, but it's also in planes, guns, and tanks.

10 posted on 03/09/2002 4:46:49 PM PST by McGavin999
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Yep seems we all are subject to "ups and downs". Even Clinton had them while discussing with the congressman about putting the troops in action. So it seems Steyn maybe disappointed but he should learn that there will always disappointment if you place too much faith in the human which is fallible. But the sun will rise tommorrow and on into the future.

11 posted on 03/09/2002 4:50:35 PM PST by deport
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To: McGavin999
I look at it this way:

There's no doubt that politics played a part in this decision. But W also gave his word to the steel workers during the campaign that he would not ignore their plight.

So he kept his word.

Is it the decision I would have made? Probably not. I believe in free trade. But the President is a man of his word.

And so I don't agree with President Bush 100%. I don't agree with anyone 100%.

But that doesn't diminish my opinion of W in the least. So he made a political decision. Big deal.

Now if this became a pattern of protectionism, that would be another matter. But we all know he is a free trader. Steyn is pissed, but he will get over it. He'll be in the bandwagon as soon as we kill more islamofacists.

12 posted on 03/09/2002 4:54:17 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: gcruse
In my case, someone who voted for a man who said he believed in free trade.

Oh Bush believes in free trade. Our nation is structured so politicians will do what the people in the states that can elect them want. What presidents actually do has next to nothing to do with what they believe.

As was proved in Hillary Health Care, Welfare Reform, and Steel Imports, it does not matter what the president believes, it matters what the people who have the power to elect him want done.

You are looking for a dictator who will agree with you and does it, no matter what the public wants. You and Alex Baldwin will have to leave the country to find that.

No president has the luxury of doing what he wants. The good thing about freedom is politicians have to please voters. And the electoral college puts power in the hands of voters in individual states.

If you don't want tarrifs you don't need to convince a president. That does no good. You have to convince his bosses. And his bosses are the people who will decide if he gets re-elected.

Policy is not controled by presidents. It is controlled by whoever can influence the public.

If I could control public opinion all policticans would do my bidding. But since I can't, none do!


13 posted on 03/09/2002 4:55:23 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: sinkspur
What I don't understand is why everyone acts so shocked and surprised. He PROMISED this during the campaign. He has limited it to three years.

Bush always keeps his promises, or he doesn't make them. While I might have been more upset at this in peacetime, in war we MUST protect the steel industry.

At any rate, Mr. Steyn is looking at this as a non-citizen. Sorry he is disapppointed, but this is war.

14 posted on 03/09/2002 4:55:27 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Pokey78
Hey Poke dip a bucket in the ocean, your as significant as the hole thats left when you pull it out.Get a clue
15 posted on 03/09/2002 4:57:31 PM PST by bdub
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To: Pokey78
I saw on Virginia Postrel's web site that Bush might just be putting these tariffs up so the WTO can strike them down, and Bush can win the Union/Protectionist vote without actually being a protectionist... I hope that's the case.
16 posted on 03/09/2002 4:58:13 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Common Tator
You are looking for a dictator who will agree with you
and does it, no matter what the public wants.

If the public didn't want what he said he
believed in, he wouldn't have been elected
in the first place.

17 posted on 03/09/2002 4:58:44 PM PST by gcruse
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To: BenR2
Blood is thicker then water ding bat
18 posted on 03/09/2002 4:59:33 PM PST by bdub
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To: Pokey78
Somehow I doubt that the President will be losing any sleep.
19 posted on 03/09/2002 5:01:46 PM PST by jackbill
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To: Pokey78
Reagan was threatening to impose a tariff on Japanese autos if they didn't open their markets. Bush would have done the same if it wasn't for the war on terrorism and the economy. I think he made the right decision for the time.
20 posted on 03/09/2002 5:02:32 PM PST by McGavin999
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