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FBI identifies agent in shooting (of innocent man in Maryland)
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 9, 2002 | Gail Gibson, Michael James and Laura Barnhardt

Posted on 03/09/2002 3:58:14 AM PST by DE50AE

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Billy_bob_bob
"The time has come to de-fund the FBI and scatter it to the winds."

Only if the BATF goes first. Talk about obsolete!

101 posted on 03/11/2002 8:02:56 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: _Jim, Dane
Bizarre to the max.
102 posted on 03/11/2002 8:06:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It was his weapon that cracked, we all know that no one is responsible for their own actions anymore.
103 posted on 03/12/2002 8:58:21 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: harpseal
Your points are well-taken. Yes, Maryland has a reckless endangerment law...

As a police officer I was taught that felony stops were conducted in the following manner:

One officer speaks through the PA system of a cruiser; he orders individuals one by one out of a vehicle by reaching out of the window and opening the door from the outside; he orders them to walk backwards with their hands over their heads to the sound of his voice; once the suspect reaches the open doors of the cruiser he is ordered to kneel or lay down; at this point another team of officers (two) handcuffs the individual while remaining behind the cover of the open doors; all the while other officers cover the vehicle and the suspect who is being ordered back to the cruisers.

This procedure severely cuts down on the chances of an accidental shooting such as the subject of this thread...and why the hell didn't the FBI use this standard procedure?????

104 posted on 03/12/2002 7:14:57 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Abundy
This procedure severely cuts down on the chances of an accidental shooting such as the subject of this thread...and why the hell didn't the FBI use this standard procedure?????

The failure to use the proper felony stop procedure with the death of an innocent person resulting is IMHO the crux of the matter. Possible explanations are as follows:


The agents were not trained to use this felony stop procedure. This flies in the face of both statements from some FBI agents I have talked to and public statements from the FBI after the Miami shootout.
The agent on scene in charge of this team of agents decided not to use the felony stop procedures in which case that agent should also be facing charges.
There was no plan whatsoever to the stop and everybody was just making it up as they went along. If this is the case then there is a problem with the command responsibility and with all of the agents on site.

While the agent who pulled the trigger may be exhonorated from criminal liability if he was specifically ordered not to use felony stop procedures (that should be for a jury to decide). The agent who ordered the team to abjure felony stop procedures is then culpable in this matter.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

105 posted on 03/13/2002 5:20:19 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Gore_ War_ Vet
Thanks for the bump.

Hang 'em high!

106 posted on 03/13/2002 6:41:12 AM PST by one2many
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