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Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill
Denver Post ^ | March 8, 2002 | Bill McAllister

Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm

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To: sarcasm
Got a reference on that? It's news to me and I'd like to see it.

The schools are so destroyed that I doubt our kids' future productivity as well.

721 posted on 03/09/2002 5:36:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Without it, Social Security goes totally bust. That is the reason for expanding population BTW. It lets Congress keep spending money and running from the problem.

Hello what world do you live in??Those ILLEGAL Immigrants are working OFF THE BOOKS they are not paying taxes and making them legal will not change that ..it just means they will not have to duck the immigration folks..

These folks are a net loss to our National budget..they suck up tax dollars in medical services and in the schools , other social programs..

$10.00 a head for lettace..well my clients used to go pick it for less than minimum wage .

I have no problem allowing seasonal labor into the country..tracked and returned home at the end of harvest..But I do not want them freely roaming the country, and sucking up our Social Services (which they will be able to do once they are LEGAL)

722 posted on 03/09/2002 5:36:58 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sarcasm
- the current crop of immigrants does not have the education needed to achieve the needed growth in productivity.

Nope---all this current crop has is the ability to forge documents, collect welfare payments, raise our automobile insurance rates (uninsured/underisured coverage), have ten million babies at taxpayer expense, etc. etc.

723 posted on 03/09/2002 5:37:50 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Dane
The horrors she must have when thinking that the lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, and even the olives were picked by those evil horned Mexicans.

Based on her ramblings tonight it appears her prejudices don't extend to her tequila.

724 posted on 03/09/2002 5:37:53 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Carry_Okie
I posted an article about it when the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston released the report - it seems that the FR archives are still unavailable.
726 posted on 03/09/2002 5:39:20 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: rdavis84
As long as Nations keep Sovereignty to any significant level, the Globalism won't work. The attack right now is from an overwhelming number of fronts --- The International Criminal Court, BioSpheres, WorldWide "PeaceKeeping Missions", ALL of the U.N. Programs, and more too numerous to list.

This is an interesting point. But for Globalism to work, it cannot rely just on carrots; it needs a stick - and so far, that stick has been the USA and its armed forces. For the time being the NWO types have to pretend that US armed forces are being used in the interests of the US - a difficult pretense to keep up, at times. Although the 911 was a godsend for them since they can pass off a lot of interventions now as "fighting terrorism".

The sh!t really hits the fan when/if the USA implodes or cannot fund its military commitments anymore, and when/if the UN starts keeping its own military assets, independent of any one country.

727 posted on 03/09/2002 5:40:01 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: RnMomof7
Those ILLEGAL Immigrants are working OFF THE BOOKS they are not paying taxes and making them legal will not change that

I was speaking of immigration in general in that comment. I doubt very much that FedGov will stand for an employer not taking payroll deductions on the wages of US citizens. Tax evasion is a major bust.

729 posted on 03/09/2002 5:40:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Dane
How much of the cost of a head of lettuce goes to pay field workers? According to the University of California, is costs around 22 cents to grow and harvest a head of lettuce. Of that, about 15 cents goes for farm labor. If we doubled the wages of farm workers, the cost of a head of lettuce would increase by fifteen cents -- even less if labor saving machines are justified. For labor costs to force lettuce to $5 per head, farmers would have to pay field workers $280 an hour. At that rate, it would be the kind of work "every American would want to do."

The problem with illegal immigration is not that labor costs too much; it is that growers compete in a commodity market. If one grower can outdo another by using illegal labor, then his profits will increase. Inevitably, all growers must do the same thing to survive. As recent studies show, illegal immigration is driving down the wages of millions of Americans, while at the same time increasing their taxes. To stop this downward spiral we must control the borders and police the work site as well.

Your $10 lettuce doesn't add up.

I'll say one thing though, you have a lot of energy (stubborn). How long have you been on this board?

730 posted on 03/09/2002 5:42:18 PM PST by Be active
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To: blueriver
I hate to tell you a little secret - a lot of those able bodied workers are raking in the dollars from America, taking jobs away from Americans so that they can retire in their home land and live like kings.

It's no secret to me. I live above Silicon Valley as a fourth generation Californian. I worked in manufacturing there for years.

731 posted on 03/09/2002 5:43:38 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: VA Advogado
(#724, VA Advogado "responds" to something Dane posted)

Talking to yourself again, Danevogado?

732 posted on 03/09/2002 5:43:44 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: HennepinPrisoner
It's too late---he has lost my vote for 2004. I'll vote for his opposition in the primaries and, if he wins, I'll vote for a 3rd party candidate in the general election. Hopefully, we'll have a third party a la Australia's One Nation that will step up to the plate.

That's about where I'm at, too.

These guys might be worth a look: Constitution Party

Take a look at the immigration plank of their platform.

Before anyone asks, no I am not a member of that party.

733 posted on 03/09/2002 5:44:30 PM PST by Joaquin
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To: PRS
Excellent picture. So true!!!
734 posted on 03/09/2002 5:45:34 PM PST by Be active
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To: VA Advogado, Dane
Hey you two, better hit K Mart before it closes. I hear they've got a blue light special going on lettuce.
736 posted on 03/09/2002 5:48:38 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: rdavis84
It's stated that Bush wants to "take this to Mexico and Fox" on his visit. Are any of us being asked if we agree to it? No. Are the "Representatives" following our wishes/demands? No.

We've never been asked if we agree to mass immigration. And they never will. They know what the answer would be. No one supports this but those in Washington and the illegal aliens pouring in.

737 posted on 03/09/2002 5:54:23 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Carry_Okie
The solution to social security should not require the destruction of America.
738 posted on 03/09/2002 5:57:03 PM PST by blueriver
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To: Scratch shooter
Have you seen the census population projections?
739 posted on 03/09/2002 5:58:53 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Major Malfunction
Dane's not going to respond to your argument because that would require thought and some work. And she couldn't refute what you're saying anyway, so she'll probably just insult you.
740 posted on 03/09/2002 6:03:58 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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