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Tancredo doubts he can block amnesty-extension bill
Denver Post ^ | March 8, 2002 | Bill McAllister

Posted on 03/08/2002 1:24:33 PM PST by sarcasm

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To: Vallandigham
Add me to anti-amnesty patriots...this is awful that we could have our country invaded like this.
2,381 posted on 03/12/2002 9:21:56 PM PST by thunderdome
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Why do I get the impression he doesn't really like conservatives?

I think you answered your own question. Your impressions are spot on. Most liberals don't like conservatives.

2,382 posted on 03/12/2002 9:27:03 PM PST by WRhine
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To: thunderdome
The pathetic gutless cretins in ConGrass have just blown our last chance. Now the silver lining from 9/11 has gone aglimmering. The U.S. is now inevitably headed down the path of the Roman Empire. If only we could have huns instead of MECHA and La Raza!
2,383 posted on 03/12/2002 9:29:39 PM PST by Righty1
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To: bam
Thus typed Danevogado:
If it wasn't for Dane who would stand up to your ignorant rantings? You're all like bugs and he's the can of Raid around here.

Hmmm. Does Danevogado think that only the Dane half is spewing Danevogado's poison, and not the VA Avogado half, or is Danevogado slipping up and unconsiously comingling his two identities, inadvertently admitting that VA Alvogado types just like Dane?

Still, tis sad that Danevogado is so lonely that he has to resort to talking to himself in the third person.

Hey, bam, better watch your step: "Dane" is "standing up to you", so says VA Avogado. And that there's a threat which is only half as intimidating as it appears.

2,384 posted on 03/12/2002 9:35:35 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Righty1
There will be big suprises come primary time. And we must take the whole party to task on this one for not using their leverage to block this madness. This was a mass collusion and was not by accident a win by one vote. Few reps should pass unscathed by the legal-voters wrath.

Last chance to vote sensibly before millions of amnestified-illegals nullify our votes.

2,385 posted on 03/12/2002 9:36:29 PM PST by thunderdome
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To: bam
The vote was 275-137. If we had gotten one more vote, we would have won.

It wasn't really that close-- each party decided who would be sacrificed, because they know it doesn't make any difference, so long as there are only the RATs and PUBBIEs to deal with-- and they can keep people believing that the parties are representative of FRee people.

2,386 posted on 03/12/2002 9:36:43 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Major Malfunction
Well, that's true too. But this is a political miscalculation. They intentionally alienated their base for a minor payback; that doesn't make sense. It shows an utter lack of identifying alternatives.

If the guy really wanted to "help Mexico", what a about a big check? He could say something like, "they were hurt too by 9/11, so let's help our neighbor". No one mad, except for a few people upset over a "giveaway". He could have negotiated it a long time ago; set up the Mexicans to say happy words about the terrible things recently inflicted on the US; blah blah. Everyone Happy, Happy. Babble about creating "infrastructure" in Mexico (they're broke, so somebody building them a few roads would be a great PR event).

That's my point. This guy is frozen on one solution; he's convinced that there's only one way to do this. Crap. There's nine million other ways, but they can't see past their fixation. It's just dumb. Political Constipation.

2,387 posted on 03/12/2002 9:39:00 PM PST by Regulator
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To: FreedomFriend
Whoops, I forgot about what I said about ignoring you, though it was directed towards your Dane alias.

Don't blame yourself for getting confused; it's being read by the same person, regardless. The only open question is whether Danevogado is a free lance who just "gets off" on abuse, or if he is working in a government or NGO office somewhere, in an unofficial or semi-official capacity. So there's the mystery: is Danevogado motivated by bile, or by money?

2,388 posted on 03/12/2002 9:40:08 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: healey22
I feel just sick over this and I was such a huge supporter of George Bush and this issue is like learning your spouse is having an affair and I am now seeking a divorce...... I worked and promoted this man who I think has been eating too many tacos down in Texas and I will work like crazy to find a third party candidate to back in the next election.
2,389 posted on 03/12/2002 9:40:50 PM PST by AnnO
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To: FreedomFriend
IT's odd that when Dane shows up, you're shortly behind. Just admit it, you're Dane. You're not fooling anyone. Like I said, everytime he is on, there you are. When he is off, you're nowhere to be around. Coincidence? Na, I don't think so.

Psst....don't give it any ideas. It might start rotating identities rather than using them simultaneously.

On second thought, nevermind. That might actually be prefereable.

2,390 posted on 03/12/2002 9:42:10 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: HennepinPrisoner
Bush is going to be the Neville Chamberlain of the immigration issue. Appeasement never works, they will just expect more next time. Pat Buchanan was right.
2,391 posted on 03/12/2002 9:42:43 PM PST by Jimbaugh
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To: Regulator
Well, that's true too. But this is a political miscalculation. They intentionally alienated their base for a minor payback; that doesn't make sense. It shows an utter lack of identifying alternatives.

I think there was a lot of money and political capital riding on this vote, a lot of deal making both on Capitol Hill and between Washington and Mexico (including oil related issues, a prime concern to Bush and Cheney). Clearly our opinions are a distant third or fouth place priority here. We simply have no representation in Washington on this as on many other issues.

If we could clearly see all of the deals and all of the self-interests at play here, we would not say that this vote makes no sense; clearly, to those in the know, it makes perfect sense. It's just that we are not in the know.

2,392 posted on 03/12/2002 9:47:52 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: sarcasm
Reagan carried 49 states in 1986 - does anyone think that any conservative Republican could do so today?

Nope, and the reason as you know is massive 3rd world immigration since that time. I have to believe Bush understands well the political implications of uncontrolled immigration better than just about anyone. His actions indicate that he doesn't care if this hurts conservative republicans. The plan I think is to take the party further left and threaten conservatives all the way with the alternative of heavy socialism under the democrats.

2,393 posted on 03/12/2002 9:50:18 PM PST by WRhine
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To: EBUCK
At least vote for smaller gubment. Vote LibTar

I did that in the last election, just to see how Harry would do. I knew Texas was a shoe-in for Bush, but I also vote third party so I can stand to look at myself in the mirror. And...

I also went and screamed my lungs out at a Bush rally in downtown, lined up across the street from the Dems. They were generally a vile collection of misfits and retreads. And now I know I was rallying for one who serves the Dem cause as whole-heartedly as those whom we faced that day in Nov2K.

2,394 posted on 03/12/2002 9:50:59 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Old Hickory
Property owners told to just shut up and take it.

Ah yes, the annoying "property owners." Those will be dealt with summarily over the next few decades.

/Globalist Swine

2,396 posted on 03/12/2002 9:59:19 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
His comments are more like laughing gas than Raid, but what would a bug know.
2,397 posted on 03/12/2002 9:59:23 PM PST by bam
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Bush wasn't paying attention to the California elections it appears. Why do I get the impression he doesn't really like conservatives?

Because he does not, of course; like father, like son. Bush Jr. has been slyly dissing conservatives ever since he locked eyes on the presidency, if not earlier. "Compassionate conservativism" is nothing more than a subtle swipe at conservatives, who are, apparently, not "compassionate" in Bush's eyes.

It was a very bad day when the liberal wing of the GOP foisted Bush Sr. on Reagan as his running mate. That one action doomed the conservative movement at the presidential level as effectively as the entry of the neo-cons into the conservative movement doomed movement conservatism to irrelevency. It took 20 years, but it was inevitable. The accomplishments of the conservative movement and the new right which came to fruition under Reagan in 1980, have been effectively nullified from within. The liberal Republican, northeastern establishment which looked defeated and on the way out in 1980, has effectively rallied and returned to power. True, they claim to be "Reagan conservatives", but their agenda is that of the northeastern liberal Republican establishment which Reagan fought against. Worse, they have effectively passed themselves off as the mainstream of the GOP and of the conservative movement.

2,398 posted on 03/12/2002 10:07:22 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: thunderdome
Tancredo for president!
2,399 posted on 03/12/2002 10:07:48 PM PST by Righty1
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To: WRhine
Yeah, I saw that too. It was like watching the mask come off. Some people saw a guy filled with resolve; I just saw a guy who was mad 'cuz someone else rained on his party. Messed up his plans, and plans are hard to come by with him. So he gets mad when they get interrupted.

Ho hum, now we have to be creative about how to burn him down before he does that to the country.

Er, Umm, I guess when you turn INS over to a nitwit who does nothing except cry about the fact that he's in charge of an agency he "doesn't agree with", and some of this agency's "customers" go and kill 3000 human beings, that probably qualifies as already letting the country get burned down. Kinda like putting the Arellano-Felix brothers in charge of DEA.

2,400 posted on 03/12/2002 10:09:28 PM PST by Regulator
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