RON PAUL: "Before We Bomb Baghdad....."

Again, you make a lot of claims and statements, but you don't give me any reason to think that anybody but you believes this. Is this part of American law or did you just make it up? Can you give me judicial opinions, ouija bord chats with James Madison, any reason to to take any of this as anything but what you think oughta happen?

If you respond with another long post full of unverified assertions, I plan to ignore it.

A "settled principle of constitutional law" is little more than a bad habit of ignoring the Constitution. Lawyer talk. It's equivalent to saying "We got away with it for years so there's no going back." It's one of the most common excuses the government uses for avoiding complying with the Constitution and makes absolute hash out of the whole concept of UNALIENABLE rights.

You should see how often the thugs use it for environmental takings. Federalist indeed.

You would't know a dclaration of war if it bit you on the butt

Following is the joint resolution authorizing the use of force against terrorists, adopted yesterday by the Senate and the House of Representatives:

To authorize the use of United States armed forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on Sept. 11, 2001, acts of despicable violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad, and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence, and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States,

Whereas the president has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States.

Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

The Constitution says that Congress alone can move the country from peace to war (by a Declaration of War). It is clear, and has been clear in law for a very long time, that a Declaration of War is not necessary for a lawful military response to attack, since the attacker has already moved the nation from peace to war.

The Constitution says that the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and it has been clear for a long time on that basis that it is the President's responsibility to engage military force to defend the nation from attack.

The Constitution says that Congress controls all spending on the military - and for anyone who knows the history of the Whig struggle in England, it's clear this, not the Declaration of War clause, is the crucial provision, the real point at which the warmaking power of the Executive is brought under legislative control.

This seems to yield three Constitutional conditions for a lawful action in response to attack: first, that there has indeed been an attack on the United States, second, that the defence is ordered by the civilian Commander in Chief of the military, and third, that Congress agrees to fund such defence.

But you seem to insist on other conditions which are not clearly contained in the Constitution. So what other sources do you have for them? Can you cite court cases, legislation, classic commentators on the Constitution? Neither your sense of propriety nor your policy preferences have the force of law in the United States. My position is based on the plain text of the Constitution and the main lines of its interpretation since the Jefferson Administration. What is your position based on?

The first bombing of Baghdad was at least constitutional (more or less-leaning on the more side). Bush, Sr. got the ok from congress (not a declaration of war but close enough for govt. work) and he had UN approval. As much as the UN sucks it was a creation (by and large) of the US and it is required of us under the UN charter (making it the law of internatioanl relations we need to abide by).

All these things WERE NOT DONE for Kosovo and SHOULD NOT BE DONE in this next round of bomb Baghdad.

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