Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
OP agreed with xzins one sentence description of Total Depravity. xzins is merely continuing, as he set out to do, and as he said he would do before OP said if he didn't get it his way, he'd take his Institutes and go home.
Allow xzins to finish his chart. Then we can frame the whole discussion.
You wouldn't want us to assume you couldn't defend it when we see it all at once would you?
I didn't think so.
And if he "wins" you'll just toss him and anyone he drags with him out with the rest of the "non-elect."
If he's elect, if the people he influences are the elect, they'll get there won't they?
You act like you're afraid of him. Do you think he can steal God's elect?
Go back and read. We've discussed it, just not to your liking or under your terms.
xzins has indicated we will get to a FULL discussion when he completes his chart.
Be patient.
Don't bother replying. Even the Arminians have foreknowledge of how you will respond.
xzins has indicated we will get to a FULL discussion when he completes his chart.
Be patient.
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To: RnMomof7
I agree with OP that we need to clear that one out before moving on !
Agree with him all you want. I'm moving on. I've asked for definitions and I keep getting this same stone wall. You force me to go to calvinist websites to find the answers. So be it.
I'm really interested in the education value: for all of us, for lurkers, readers, participants, freepers, etc.
Gotta go, Mom. Church beckons. Don't you all do Wednesday and Sunday night church?
1247 posted on 3/3/02 6:13 PM Eastern by xzins [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1243 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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He doesn't care if he presents the truth of both sides ,he doesn't care to allow discussion..perhaps you need to reread the post
I'm sorry Mom, now you're distoring the truth in the hopes that no one will notice.
Every time xzins has posted the definitions, he has asked, at minimum, Jerry and OP, to comment and edit.
I'm sorry it doesn't fit your timeline. And now you apparently fault him for going to church instead of discussing Total Depravity with you.
Just the facts Mom.
And here are some more since you persist in this silly argument.
Probably somewhere upwards of 95% of the entire world would say that Calvinism is incorrect theology. (I made the number up, but the point is valid).
I happen to be in that 95%, and it just so happens that another of that 95% posts on FreeRepublic.
If a Muslim said Calvinism was wrong, I would agree.
If a Hindu said Calvinism was wrong, I would agree.
If, Bill Clinton said Calvinism was wrong, I would agree.
If Osama Bin Laden said Calvinism was wrong, I would say "you got that right Sammy boy."
I could go on, but you get my point. Scratch that, you don't, but everyone else does.
I happen to believe Calvinism is wrong. It's not my fault that most of Christendom, (as well as the rest of the world) agrees with me. Of course to you that's a badge of honor.
Your problem (one of them) is that you equate Calvinism with Christianity. Perhaps your gravest error. Someone had the audacity to say the Apostle Paul was a "Calvinist."
I'll make you a deal. You find the the scripture that mentions John Calvin by name, and I will sing my apologies to you from atop the Washington Monument.
If you can't do that (and in case you don't know it you can't) then you will be forced to admit that Calvinism is another interpretation of the scriptures in a 2,000 year debate.
But I won't hold my breath for you to admit it.
When there is a discussion of substance then a group flag would be appropriate
I will not flag you again after this post for any reason. Please follow the rules and do not discuss private conversations.
I threatened to hit the abuse button when I asked you three times not to freepmail me regarding the Mormon issue. You persisted until I offered my threat.
I pushed the abuse button here because your insistance on posting those volumes of "information" only serve to gum up the thread, when there's currently no one on line to discuss your posts.
I have been neglecting my writing, so now is a good time to take a break.
I'll check the thread daily however and will return when xzins is able to post his chart completely.
I threatened to hit the abuse button when I asked you three times not to freepmail me regarding the Mormon issue. You persisted until I offered my threat.
LOL follow your own rule LOL
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