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Wesley Center of Applied Theology | 1740 | John Wesley

Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration

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To: RnMomof7
I agree with OP that we need to clear that one out before moving on !

OP agreed with xzins one sentence description of Total Depravity. xzins is merely continuing, as he set out to do, and as he said he would do before OP said if he didn't get it his way, he'd take his Institutes and go home.

Allow xzins to finish his chart. Then we can frame the whole discussion.

You wouldn't want us to assume you couldn't defend it when we see it all at once would you?

I didn't think so.

1,261 posted on 03/03/2002 2:51:24 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: RnMomof7
The feeling is mutual..and right now he is winning

And if he "wins" you'll just toss him and anyone he drags with him out with the rest of the "non-elect."

If he's elect, if the people he influences are the elect, they'll get there won't they?

You act like you're afraid of him. Do you think he can steal God's elect?

1,262 posted on 03/03/2002 2:59:28 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
He said that we had discussed total depravity and we have not..He has just become one of the many gods on this thread and continued as if he was in charge
1,263 posted on 03/03/2002 3:00:11 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Ward Smythe
Well you are doing nothing to give the gospel as YOU understand it..We that believe in a limited atonment, have done more than you have to present the gospel..I guess we have more faith in the word of God than you do
1,264 posted on 03/03/2002 3:02:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
He said that we had discussed total depravity and we have not..

Go back and read. We've discussed it, just not to your liking or under your terms.

xzins has indicated we will get to a FULL discussion when he completes his chart.

Be patient.

1,265 posted on 03/03/2002 3:05:48 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: RnMomof7
Do you have an advanced degree in avoiding the question?

Don't bother replying. Even the Arminians have foreknowledge of how you will respond.

1,266 posted on 03/03/2002 3:07:58 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
#1256 A "well controlled" Christian exposition..Not
1,267 posted on 03/03/2002 3:09:54 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Ward Smythe
Go back and read. We've discussed it, just not to your liking or under your terms.

xzins has indicated we will get to a FULL discussion when he completes his chart.

Be patient.

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To: RnMomof7
I agree with OP that we need to clear that one out before moving on !

Agree with him all you want. I'm moving on. I've asked for definitions and I keep getting this same stone wall. You force me to go to calvinist websites to find the answers. So be it.

I'm really interested in the education value: for all of us, for lurkers, readers, participants, freepers, etc.

Gotta go, Mom. Church beckons. Don't you all do Wednesday and Sunday night church?

1247 posted on 3/3/02 6:13 PM Eastern by xzins [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1243 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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He doesn't care if he presents the truth of both sides ,he doesn't care to allow discussion..perhaps you need to reread the post

1,268 posted on 03/03/2002 3:17:31 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
He doesn't care if he presents the truth of both sides ,he doesn't care to allow discussion..perhaps you need to reread the post

I'm sorry Mom, now you're distoring the truth in the hopes that no one will notice.

Every time xzins has posted the definitions, he has asked, at minimum, Jerry and OP, to comment and edit.

I'm sorry it doesn't fit your timeline. And now you apparently fault him for going to church instead of discussing Total Depravity with you.

1,272 posted on 03/03/2002 3:42:24 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: RnMomof7
A "well controlled" Christian exposition..Not

Just the facts Mom.

And here are some more since you persist in this silly argument.

Probably somewhere upwards of 95% of the entire world would say that Calvinism is incorrect theology. (I made the number up, but the point is valid).

I happen to be in that 95%, and it just so happens that another of that 95% posts on FreeRepublic.

If a Muslim said Calvinism was wrong, I would agree.

If a Hindu said Calvinism was wrong, I would agree.

If, Bill Clinton said Calvinism was wrong, I would agree.

If Osama Bin Laden said Calvinism was wrong, I would say "you got that right Sammy boy."

I could go on, but you get my point. Scratch that, you don't, but everyone else does.

I happen to believe Calvinism is wrong. It's not my fault that most of Christendom, (as well as the rest of the world) agrees with me. Of course to you that's a badge of honor.

Your problem (one of them) is that you equate Calvinism with Christianity. Perhaps your gravest error. Someone had the audacity to say the Apostle Paul was a "Calvinist."

I'll make you a deal. You find the the scripture that mentions John Calvin by name, and I will sing my apologies to you from atop the Washington Monument.

If you can't do that (and in case you don't know it you can't) then you will be forced to admit that Calvinism is another interpretation of the scriptures in a 2,000 year debate.

But I won't hold my breath for you to admit it.

1,273 posted on 03/03/2002 3:52:48 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
Please do not flag me..you have threatened to hit the abuse button on me and I would prefer not to have one on one exchanges with you.

When there is a discussion of substance then a group flag would be appropriate

1,274 posted on 03/03/2002 4:00:44 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Ward Smythe
Well I see you did ...you are something else..
1,275 posted on 03/03/2002 4:05:24 PM PST by RnMomof7
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Truth too hard to read?
1,276 posted on 03/03/2002 4:06:23 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Please do not flag me..you have threatened to hit the abuse button on me and I would prefer not to have one on one exchanges with you.

I will not flag you again after this post for any reason. Please follow the rules and do not discuss private conversations.

I threatened to hit the abuse button when I asked you three times not to freepmail me regarding the Mormon issue. You persisted until I offered my threat.

I pushed the abuse button here because your insistance on posting those volumes of "information" only serve to gum up the thread, when there's currently no one on line to discuss your posts.

1,277 posted on 03/03/2002 4:14:28 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
However volumes of Calvinist by you bashing have gone with no complaints..Check your eye

A defense of Calvinism

1,278 posted on 03/03/2002 4:18:31 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Ward Smythe; xzins; Jerry_M; OrthodoxPresbyterian; the_doc; CCWoody; ShadowAce...
It's pretty evident our conversations went downhill this afternoon. I accept my part of the blame for that.

I have been neglecting my writing, so now is a good time to take a break.

I'll check the thread daily however and will return when xzins is able to post his chart completely.

1,279 posted on 03/03/2002 4:19:20 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
I will not flag you again after this post for any reason. Please follow the rules and do not discuss private conversations.

I threatened to hit the abuse button when I asked you three times not to freepmail me regarding the Mormon issue. You persisted until I offered my threat.

LOL follow your own rule LOL

1,280 posted on 03/03/2002 4:20:51 PM PST by RnMomof7
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