Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
Well, not only do I contend for my faith by exposing the errors in Arminianism, but I also proclaim the gospel to all whom I know need it.
Evidently you CHOOSE not to share your faith with those you know are lost on this thread; or do you believe that Mormons are saved?
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.(Romans 5;15) Salvation - Is of God
#PS 3:8; Salvation [belongeth] unto the LORD: thy blessing [is] upon thy people. Selah.
- Is of the purpose of God
#2TI 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
- Is of the appointment of God
#1TH 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
- Is by Christ
EPH 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
- Is by Christ alone
AC 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
- Revealed in the gospel
#EPH 1:11-13; 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
2TI 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
- CHRIST, . The Captain of our salvation
#HEB 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Christ the Author of our Salvation
#HEB 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Christ Appointed for our salvation
#ISA 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
. . . Mighty to effect
HEB 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
. Came to effect
#MT 18:11For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
. Died to effect #JOH 3:14,15; 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
:15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
GA 1:4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
- Is not by works #RO 11:6And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
EPH 2:9;Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2TI 1:9;Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
TIT 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
- Is of grace #EPH 2:5,8;
2:5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God
2TI 1:9;Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
TIT 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
- Is through faith in Christ
#MR 16:16;He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
AC 16:31;And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
RO 10:9;That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. EPH 2:8;For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
1PE 1:5Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
We offer the gospel to all that will come!
Shows how much you know! There's a secret password AND a handshake!!!!
I think the arminians know it too :>)
a fountain of Baptists
a confession of Catholics
a communion of Pentecostals
a dirge of Puritans
a sweat of shamans
Perhaps there's a "get into heaven free" card to anyone who hates Calvinism.
So, now Mom, I am no longer a brother in Christ.
I hope you think of that as you worship with Arminians in the morning.
Again, this is not a thread about Mormonism. But I must assume that to you truth is relative.
If Woody, Mom and lmp say: "Jesus rose from the dead."
We can be in agreement.
But if WhiteMountain, a Mormon says: "Jesus rose from the dead."
Then, by your train of thought, I must disagree with him or risk that I would be unequally yoked.
Eternal truths are eternal truths. They do not become untrue just because someone only grasps some of them and not all.
Again, Mormon's say adultery is sin.
That is a truth of the Bible.
Do you disagree?
If you are in agreement with the Bible. You are in agreement with a Mormon.
This is a discussion forum. A forum for ideas. A forum for philosophies.
Agreeing with someone who makes a valid point is not "fellowship."
And if that's the Calvinist idea of "fellowship" then there's another reason I can't agree with you.
How clever of you Woody to attempt a Saturday night massacre in the hopes that latecomers to the thread would not scroll back.
xzins has spent DAYS attempting to define the TULIP concept in a valid, and fair attempt to define exactly what you DO believe. He has repeatedly asked for every Calvinist on this thread to offer edits, which he has offered to make until the definitions meet your satisfaction.
He has also offered the five Arminian objections for consideration.
What you believe is all over this thread.
We disagree with it, but we know what it is.
Use my other example then. Is adultery not important to you?
Yea it is too much work to be a Calvinist..you have to think and learn and understand..You have to know what gospels are being preached so that you can have an answer for every man.Your silence is approval Ward..and yes it is fellowship
You have spent alot of time defending your inability or unwillingness to preach the gospel..
If you break one commandment you break them all
The gospel is important to me. Being obedient to Christ is important to me.
For days the Calvinists on this tread have tried to discuss the T in the tulip..in response we get multi colored large print screaming posts ignoring our request.
I have read that only the powerless raise their voice..I have thought of that several times as the giant multicolored posts showed up to grab the attention of the lurkers..
The difference is we do not have to yell
I am not God...
No, if WM proclaims that "Jesus rose from the dead" then he will be proclaiming the most incredible news the world has ever know. Too bad that he is not in a position to enjoy it. You should be telling him that he will have to look on the Lord Jesus from the Lake of Fire.
Stuart,To my knowledge, you never commented on that Woody.Woody and I disagree on many things in our interpretations. But here we speak as one. What Christianity has that no other religion or approach to God has is the evidence of the empty tomb. Jesus is Lord, and he is the one way to the Father.
Don't let our family squabbles keep you from seeing that. We are passionate in our beliefs because Christ has radically changed us. In our human natures we may violently disagree. But Christ is our bond and we all long for the day when we will be with Him forever.
Ward
I will grant you that I will not engage WhiteMountain in a debate of the faith for the very fact that I do not know the teachings of Mormonism well enough to refute them. Were we to debate, I am certain that he could talk circles around me. In that regard, I will admit to you here and now I am a complete failure.
For now, I get myself in enough trouble talking to the people I thought were my brothers and sisters.
But this is a computer forum. How do you know that this afternoon I wasn't going out door to door to share the gospel? How do you know that I wasn't out sharing my faith with inmates? How do you know that my family and I were not at a homeless shelter handing out food for the stomach as well as food for the soul?
It is simply deceitful for you to insinuate that I do not share my faith because I don't engage a Mormon in conversation on a computer forum.
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