Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
And what we would that be?
No, you are missing the point. Multiple times on this board, Calvinists have quoted --Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. -- Isaiah 45:7
In Post #213 OP states in response to my question: "So God is responsible for the evil of the Soviet Union?": "So, ultimately, yes -- God is responsible for everything."
I acknowledge that God, allows evil to happen. The assertion on these threads has been, several times, that God causes evil to happen.
As Jerry said "Now, you can argue with this, but the fact is, God has created all of mankind, and He has so ordered the events of their lives so as to determine who they are and what they will accomplish."
So, according to Jerry, and I believe O.P., and apparently you, God ordered the lives of Hitler and Stalin to do evil.
That would appear to be in conflict with the statement of Calvin noted in forthedeclaration's Post #1094:
Fanatics torture this word evil, as if God were the author of evil, that is, of sin; but it is very obvious how ridiculously they abuse this passage of the Prophet. This is sufficiently explained by the contrast, the parts of which must agree with each other; for he contrasts "peace" with "evil," that is, with afflictions, wars, and other adverse occurrences. If he contrasted "righteousness" with "evil," there would be some plausibility in their reasonings, but this is a manifest contrast of things that are opposite to each other. Consequently, we ought not to reject the ordinary distinction, that God is the author of the "evil" of punishment, but not of the "evil" of guilt.And so, it would appear that having "all the answers" does not require having the right ones, or at least not the same ones as Calvin.
Jerry has told me before that there is not at "dime's worth of difference" between his theology and Calvin's (and a host of others).
Many, if not all of you have pointed to God the creator as creating everything, including evil, and the evil of guilt.
It appears Calvin disagreed.
Um, just about every non-Calvinist that has graced these 1100+ posts.
Surely Mom you would never argue that your theology is good just because a Mormon thinks it bad?
Mormon's think adultery is bad too, would that mean...?
I didn't think so.
God made Hitler, He knew Hitlers personality because He formed it. He is the one that selected the time and place of Hitlers birth.
God could have changed any of those circumstances and made Hitler differently ,but He did not.
Well, M. Chauvin, The KJ version is well and good but you still should buy a concordance. The Hebrew for evil in that sentence means adversity, affliction, and bad calamity which seems to say God will remove His protection. The other evil is a different word.
Funny that you believe in the free offer of the gospel except when you do not feel like it. Guess you do not care if those you choose as allies believe in the gosple of Jesus Christ as long as it meets your needs..
Wesley would be proud of all of ya
And yes you are a we
While the Arminians rage about this only the Calvinists trust God enough to do what is just. Interesting don't you think?
Not that they have figured out what we believe...
For it they had, then they would not constantly get it wrong. The only other option is that they intentionally lie about it and that wouldn't be very nice. I'd prefer that they really are just somewhat blinded by what we believe.
Let's talk about the "Secret Arminian Society" whereby the grace of God is [not] FREE FOR ALL. For it it were free for all, then the Arminian would share it with all. Since, we can by evidence of this thread know that it is not, we can conclude that Arminianism is an exclusive club whereas Christianity to a Calvinist is FREE FOR ALL for the Calvinist makes it available to all: "Christ died for sinners, DO YOU QUALIFY. Christ died for the ungodly, DO YOU QUALIFY. Repent and Believe!"
Anybody who desires may come and embrace the gospel that the Calvinist freely proclaims. Whereas one must know the "secret handshake" and have the "decoder ring" in order to become an Arminian for they are too exclusive to share it with the lost.
The Arminian really doesn't care about the lost more than he hates Calvinism. For if he care about the lost more than he hated Calvinism then he would join the Calvinist and call for the mormon to "repent and believe" and he would share this same gospel with the rest of the lost.
The Arminian is really secretly ashamed of the gospel they preach. For if they were not ashamed of their gospel, then they would proclaim it.
The Arminian really believes that Mormonism is a TRUE gospel and therefore able to save. For it were a false gospel then they would say as much. They might realize that any man might die on any given day and they would call the Mormon to repent.
Now, the above will not be well received, but maybe one might stop and consider that they are not contending for their faith as much as they are contending against Calvinism, no matter what the cost.
This is the bottom line Woody..they would rather see people lost and burning in hell than allow God to be Sovereign.
You falsely assume and accuse me of having "fellowship" with WM. But you deny the truth of the fact that it is possible for:
WhiteMountain and Ward Smythe to agree that Calvinism is bad.
RnMomof7, CCWoody; Jerry_M; Wrigley AND Ward Smythe to agree that Mormonism is bad.
WhiteMountain thinks Clinton is bad.
SO DO YOU.
Therefore you are unequally yoked with a whole passel of Mormons.
This is not a thread about Mormonism. This is a thread about grace. A thread about truth.
Concepts you fail to grasp.
Yes Mom, it is interesting indeed. In your Creation class, and if you are studying all of Genesis, you will find verses in the history and progression of Abraham's family that indicate that the state of the parents and the holiness of the marriage were important in what souls were born into the family. Further along, in the OT, we see where once a year, one family was selected out of all the tribes to appear before God and be examined. The parents bore the responsibility for the children in the household. In the sin of Achan, see how he brought calamity upon all in his tent.
Now, the above will not be well received, but maybe one might stop and consider that they are not contending for their faith as much as they are contending against Arminianism, no matter what the cost.
This thread is a sermon entitled "On Free Grace" by John Wesley.
You CHOOSE to come here to denounce it.
You would do well to spend some time reading Wesley's comments on infant baptism before you assert that you know what you're talking about.
That would be funny if it was not sad..You contend for no part of the gospel ..check your eye Ward
Granted to you. Nevertheless, mormonism cannot save. I must conclude one of the 4 options above...
Therefore you are unequally yoked with a whole passel of Mormons.
No, but you are free to "lump" me in if it makes you feel better.
This is not a thread about Mormonism. This is a thread about grace. A thread about truth.
So, what is the truth about Mormonism? Or are we talking about grace and truth for everyone except Morminism?
Or are these Concepts you fail to grasp?
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