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AIR FORCE ADMITS CITY BUZZ WAS A ‘LOW' MOMENT
New York Post ^
| 2/20/02
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Posted on 02/19/2002 11:42:33 PM PST by kattracks
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To: hchutch
The Commanding General of the Third Marine Air Wing, back in the salad days of Marine Air, when they were HQ'd in El Toro, put out a little note to his Hornet & Phantom drivers:
If you even THINK about going supersonic over Garden Grove, I will have you drawn, quartered, boiled in oil, and anything else unpleasant I can think of.
Garden Grove is the home of Reverend Robert Schuller's Crystal Cathedral, a spectacular all-glass-faced church. One sonic boom, and it becomes the Open-Air Cathedral :o)
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posted on
02/20/2002 9:12:39 AM PST
by
Poohbah
To: Poohbah
I see.
How far do they let the buzzing go before they start slapping wrists?
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posted on
02/20/2002 9:37:00 AM PST
by
hchutch
To: Rain-maker
I was stationed at Hahn and Spangdahlem ABs when they were F-4 bases. Man, they were loud! The F-15's at Bitburg were like a whisper compared to those 'Wild Weasels'.
To: hchutch
Generally, the rule is that you don't embarrass your seniors.
Low-level passes in the wee hours of the morning are generally a very BAD idea, as it will probably wake some folks up, and most people get downright CRANKY when roused from a sound sleep for no good reason.
To quote Robert Heinlein's The Notebooks of Lazarus Long:
Waking a sleeping man unnecessarily shouldn't be a capital crime. For a first offense, that is.
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posted on
02/20/2002 9:45:45 AM PST
by
Poohbah
To: Junior
Methinks it's Nap of the Earth (NOE). While you guys debate the terminology, I'll share a story.
In the mid-seventies, while doing business in Kansas, I often found myself driving through the Flint Hills and Chatuaqua regions of southern Kansas on remote highways. A number of times I was jolted to the point of "fouling my pampers" by the instantaneous appearance of B-52s at a hundred feet elevation above my car followed by the boom of the engines. Working on their terrain hugging systems in remote areas, we that traveled the lonesome got some startling suprises.
The size, sound and suddenness of the appearance was truely a stunner. The heart rate went way up for sometime thereafter, I can assure you.
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posted on
02/20/2002 9:48:18 AM PST
by
KC Burke
To: KC Burke
BUFFs at low level...
Once upon a time, I was at MCAS Beaufort during an Anti-Air Warfare Exercise, or AAWEX. This AAWEX featured B-52s, and one made a bomb run on my squadron's hangar.
I happened to be on the roof as part of a working party, and decided to do the Last Great Act Of Defiance as the BUFF easily evades a (very late) Smoky SAM shot.
Didja know that the BUFF can record video from its forward-looking TV camera?
Didja know that we all got yanked into the Sergeant Major's office to be asked, "Which one of you peckerheads gave the one-finger salute to the BUFF yesterday? The Group CO wants a chat with the culprit."
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posted on
02/20/2002 9:54:36 AM PST
by
Poohbah
To: Poohbah
You are lucky you didn't get blown off or have the roof bounce you off due to negative air rebound. Those hanger roofs can be pretty lightly loaded by their dead-load only and react like a empty F-350 Ford on a bumpy road. I've built a few and been on-top on windy days, LOL.
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posted on
02/20/2002 9:58:54 AM PST
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KC Burke
To: Poohbah
ROFLMAOSMMD.
I'm surprised that could get someone in trouble...
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:00:21 AM PST
by
hchutch
To: hchutch
The Squadron Sergeant Major wasn't overly amused (at least, he wasn't amused
in public :o), but the Group CO thought it was a hoot.
I was already infamous enough (thanks to my work running a "Red Cell" at Beaufort) that the Group Sergeant Major said, "Shoulda figured it was you."
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:04:23 AM PST
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Poohbah
To: KC Burke
It was a wee bit of an adventure :o)
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:05:32 AM PST
by
Poohbah
To: kattracks
I love the sound of freedom. Until recently, I lived and worked very close to the Portland (Oregon) Air National Guard Base. I don't care if I was sleeping, running, working or eating, I loved the sight and sound of a couple of F-15s taking off on their training runs. Perhaps New Yorkers will learn to appreciate the sound.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:08:24 AM PST
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arm958
To: Poohbah
The Squadron Sergeant Major The Air Force doesn't have Sergeant Majors. It does have Chief Master Sergeants. I've known a few and most of'em are damned fine Americans.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:10:27 AM PST
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arm958
To: KC Burke
The size, sound and suddenness of the appearance was truely a stunner. The heart rate went way up for sometime thereafter, I can assure you. You will be equally pleased to know that your little metal car made one damn fine radar target for a little gunnery practice. (Didn't you notice the tail cannon were tracking you?)
To: petuniasevan
How about what a B-52 does, when badly piloted by a top-brass visiting general who last flew them 20 years previously? Reminds me of the hot dog B-52 pilot at Fairchild AFB a few years ago. During a ceremonial fly-by, he banked a little too hard and plowed into the ground. He killed all the crew on board and could have killed many more on the ground. After the fact, some of his fellow pilots noted that he was known for pushing the envelope a little too far.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:17:34 AM PST
by
arm958
To: arm958
I wasn't in the Air Farce--I was a Marine.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:17:49 AM PST
by
Poohbah
To: petuniasevan
How about what a B-52 does, when badly piloted by a top-brass visiting general who last flew them 20 years previously? Reminds me of the hot dog B-52 pilot at Fairchild AFB a few years ago. During a ceremonial fly-by, he banked a little too hard and plowed into the ground. He killed all the crew on board and could have killed many more on the ground. After the fact, some of his fellow pilots noted that he was known for pushing the envelope a little too far.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:18:13 AM PST
by
arm958
To: COB1;Cedar Dave;harpseal,Travis McGee,Squantos,sneakypete,Chapita
Come to West Texas and I will take you'll down to the canyon lands, where you can sit on top of a mesa and watch the BUFF's fly below you.
Or we can journey over to NM and watch the B-1bs buzz drilling rigs at derrick height.
Once in the bootheel of Missouri, I was out checking cotton in the middle of a field, this god-awful roaring came over shaking the earth and blowing the cotton down. I was all elbows and knees trying to dig a hole to hide in, just about the time I recovered it happened again. It was B-58s making a mock bomb run on St. Louis, while being chased by THUDs. It was even more fun the next day, up in a Cessana at 3,000 ft and two miles away watching the action.
To: razorback-bert
I occasionally get to watch the stealth bombers fly out of Knobnoster (Whiteman) and find their flights to be very unique. For those that haven't seen them at low altitude and in person, the fly-by-wire technology and the wierd shape make them appear like nothing else in flight. It is almost like they aren't subject to the laws of aerodynamics, they twist, turn and bank in wierd relation to their forward flight in a manner to give them a very unreal aspect when manauvering for take-offs and landings. Its almost like watching a Matrix movie.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:26:37 AM PST
by
KC Burke
To: Cobra64
having a f-16 flying over would make me sleep like a baby at night.
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posted on
02/20/2002 10:27:11 AM PST
by
angcat
To: angcat
In the NJ Pine Barrens you can regularly see the A-10's coming in low. Took me a while to figure out what that zipper noise was at first.....it's cannon.
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