Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience

Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

[gore3000]

"It's an idea older than Darwin. Lamark, and others before him, promoted these type of transformation ideas. "

Much older than that even. At least as far back as Lucretius who has atoms arranging themselves and creating the universe.

It is quite ridiculous to say, when you think about it, that non-thinking matter can design what even man today cannot.

[gore3000]

there is no such thing as random in evolution

Oh come now! Can you predict what the next advance in the human species will be? Or in any species? Mutations are not random? They are thought about by the genes?

[scripter]

Thanks, but to be true to my principles, we'll have to let it go to the fittest among us.

Oh oh. Now you've got me trying for the 1000 spot. If I can stay awake...

[PatrickHenry]

Now you've got me trying for the 1000 spot. If I can stay awake...

The race is on! The game's afoot! We need to decide on a reward, other than some kind of lame cyber-immortality.

[gore3000]

"The scientist, faced with a contradiction between theory and reality, would go back and review his assumptions.

So what is the theory of evolution? Is that how evolutionists avoid contradiction - by never saying what the theory of evolution is?

[gore3000]

Would man then become God?

How does that apple taste?

We already know how that apple would taste. We have seen in Nazism and Communism how completely atheistic societies which think that man, society and everything else can be molded according to someone's will behave. The result is mass murder and slavery.

[gore3000]

" Look at all the evidence of life deep in the subsurface and in space."

Please state your source for the above. Was it the National Enquirer, the Star or Art Bell?

[VadeRetro]

In other words, they had a bone without a purpose. They had tried to fit it several times into something, anything. Finally they found two ankle bones, and since the bones were the right size, in spite of having been discovered some 30 years earlier, hundreds of miles away, with no other connection between the two, they were assigned to Eosimias to "prove" that the missing link had indeed been found.

No. The paragraph you quoted is about another fossil, originally thought to be Ramapithecus but reclassified as a new species, Lufengpithecus (Ape of Lufeng). The discussion of Eosimias is confined to the preceding paragraph. As for Lufengpithecus:

Its phylogenetic affinities are still under debate with various authors suggesting affinities to the orang-utan, African apes or the last common ancestor of all living great apes, including humans.

From your link on Chinese Hominid Fossils.

I see nothing in that to buttress your claim that anyone's claiming to know the knee joint from the mandible. At any rate, gore3000 is the only one calling it Eosimias. You screwed up AGAIN.

[VadeRetro]

The list of what I would call "the whores of evolution" which have hailed this as a great find consist of the Carnegie Museums, ABC News, Der Spiegel, UCLA, UC Davis, the BBC, The NY Times, Johns Hopkins as well as Time Magazine and Newsweek.

And Europe and Asia.

[longshadow]

The race is on! The game's afoot! We need to decide on a reward, other than some kind of lame cyber-immortality.

A three week vacation on a small isolated, uninhabited island with "medved" and "G3K"?

[longshadow]

ooops, bold OFF!

[js1138]

So what word do we use to describe a person who clings to obviously false dogma?

In my post I used the word insane. I happen to believe that logic is an editing function rather than a productive function. I think people build their world view pretty much independently of logic (if I could describe how, I'd be rich and famous). What we call logic is a rather recent invention in the history of mankind. And of course the systematic and iterative application of logic and experiment is even more recent.

But I think even scientists form their ideas of how the world is and what what should happen in experiments before the results are in. Sanity is conforming to unexpected results.

[Havoc]

In fact, DNA tracing has shown most of the evolutionists assumptions about what species "evolved" from each other as total bunk

Just wanted to see it again :)

[VadeRetro]

You could hardly make a bigger mistake than to let gore summarize the state of the evidence for you. Especially the DNA evidence.

[PatrickHenry]

A three week vacation on a small isolated, uninhabited island with "medved" and "G3K"?

I think I see a new season of "Survivor" in this. But we need to add f.Christian and the TIME CUBE guy. Plus some of the old-timers from the long ago crevo threads.

[PatrickHenry]

The vilest smear imaginable is that which the Creationist sears across the mind of Man. The attempt to blind the species and hold us in thrall to mindless abject spernatural ignorance is the vilest thing that can be done to the species.

Well done! Really.