Former California State GOP Chairmen: Riordan Unacceptable as Republican Nominee

Bill Simon for Governor ^ | Friday, February 8, 2002 | Press Release

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

From your lips to God's ears.

[FreeReign]

"While we as a Republican Party will individually disagree on one issue or another, we are bonded together by a common commitment to a limited, less intrusive government and the belief that every citizen should have the freedom to achieve his or her dreams. "Mr. Riordan's record has put him at odds with our core beliefs time and time again.

Mr. Riordan is heading in the wrong direction -- half-assed and backwards.

"In contrast, Bill Simon has demonstrated in the past months that he is not only committed to up-holding the core Republican belief of limited, less intrusive government, but has also shown a genuine appreciation for Republicans of every stripe. He has spent months campaigning across the state, building a solid, genuine grass-roots organization that will be of the utmost benefit to our state party in the General Election. He has also pledged whole-heartedly to support every GOP nominee in November.

Simon is our future.

[vbmoneyspender]

Boy you got a short trigger today.

Regarding the state of California politics, I think you are just wrong. Many Hispanic voters are conservative to the core. They can definitely be persuaded to vote Republican if we stop making illegal immigrants the focus of our message and start talking about cutting taxes and making it easier do business in this state. A great percentage of the Hispanic community is extremely receptive to this message, as long as they don't think Republicans are targeting them because they are 'lazy' or live off the dole.

They are also very favorably disposed towards George Bush. I happen to have some personal knowledge of this because my wife happens to be Hispanic and most of our relatives on her side of the family voted for Bush.

[Poohbah]

Regarding the state of California politics, I think you are just wrong. Many Hispanic voters are conservative to the core.

Oh, yeah. Those guys that bolted to the USTP after being told Adios pendejos by Pete Wilson are definitely conservative. We just ain't ever getting 'em BACK from the USTP.

They can definitely be persuaded to vote Republican if we stop making illegal immigrants the focus of our message and start talking about cutting taxes and making it easier do business in this state.

Where were you in 1994, when the CAGOP jumped the shark? We could've used some brainpower like yours (sigh).

A great percentage of the Hispanic community is extremely receptive to this message, as long as they don't think Republicans are targeting them because they are 'lazy' or live off the dole.

Don't let them near any immigration threads on FR.

[nickcarraway]

Reagan was a former Democrat and FDR supporter, but he ran prettu conservative in 1966. His campaign originated in a speech he gave to support Barry Goldwater in 1964. Many were trying to advise him to water down his message. Check out When Character Was King

[Thud]

He knew and didn't tell _me_!

[Thud]

Which works only in special elections.

[BlackElk]

How about approaching Hispanics with the request that they join in taking back the GOP from the Wilsonian imbecile set of racist jerks, that the GOP encourages individual prosperity instead of dependence and will not sit still for their kids getting "fisting" lessons in sex ed class or for their daughters being hustled off by the government schools to the nearest abortion mill without parental knowledge and that the GOP hates taxes on small business people and ought to hate taxes on blue collar workers too, etc?

[vbmoneyspender]

I don't think you should be so pessimistic about the Hispanic vote. I really do think that we will be able to make up significiant lost ground with Bush as president. If we can get Bill Simon nominated and he focuses on cutting taxes and cutting gov't regulation, then I think people will be surprised at what happens with the Hispanic vote.

[Poohbah]

Dude, the problem is that it takes a LONG time to build rapport and trust--particularly across ethnic lines.

And there are some folks here on FR ready to scream that the GOP is "PANDERING TO THE ILLEGALS" if the GOP talks to anyone with darker skin than theirs.

[Roscoe]

Their hamsteak and eggs are really terrific.

And their hashbrowns ain't too shabby.

[Poohbah]

Like I said, if Simon dares to talk to a Hispanic about this issue, there are some CA Freepers who will shriek about his "PANDERING" to "ILLEGAL ALIENS!"

Next time we shoot ourselves in the foot, can we leave the selector switch on SEMI?

[Theodore R.]

Oh, no, what you are saying, vbmoneyspender, is wishful thinking. Hispanics and Asians are precommitted to the Democrat party because they think it "cares." These are touch-feely voters who believe that the Democrats provide the social services that they fear they may need if the economy worsens. These voters also think Republicans have "dismantled" social services. Look, the majority of Asians voted for Barbara Boxer, not Matt Fong. The majority of Hispanics nationwide went for algore, some 62-38, I believe. I would expect the large majority of Hispanics in TX to vote Democrat this fall too. Governor Perry will have to win with little Hispanic support; it just isn't there. The Hispanics think the Democrats "care." In the 1950s, there was the CARE foreign assistance plan. Now there is the "care" from the Democrats, and the people believe in their "democracy."

[Theodore R.]

Nick, I understand that it was the huge taxes that Reagan paid as an actor in the 1940s and 1950s that gradually shifted him to the GOP. Michael Reagan tells the story that his dad would start talking about high taxes when Michael asked him in 1950 for a new baseball glove. It took Michael Reagan some time himself to learn of the "taxing authority" of the central government of the United States. Millions of Americans do not know this "taxing authority" as their wages are too low to bring them under the IRS umbrella. These unfortunate ones instead Social Security, Medicare, and sales taxes. They think "only the filthy rich" pay income taxes. Nancy Reagan said "Just say No" to drugs. Well I will conclude with: JUST SAY NO TO RIORDAN.

[FreeReign]

A Hispanic gentleman--rather conservative--who was active in the local party spoke out against 187 on a number of grounds, including the most obvious issue of federal supremacy on immigration issues.

His reward was a guy shouting from the back of the room, "GO BACK TO TIAJUANA, MOJADO!"

The worst part was almost every other person in the audience standing and cheering.

His reward -- almost every other person in the audience standing and cheering.

The worst part -- one guy shouts some ethnic slur.

This hispanic guy and you have a lot in common -- his reaction and your description. Surrounded by short term negatives, ya both don't see the positive evolution of freedom. For every statist hispanic immigrant of differing legalities, their is a multitude of second and third generation hispanics who will, as the future unfolds, vote for freedom.

[Poohbah]

This hispanic guy and you have a lot in common -- his reaction and your description. Surrounded by short term negatives, ya both don't see the positive evolution of freedom.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to see that when a bunch of people are cheering the local skinhead.

For every statist hispanic immigrant of differing legalities, their is a multitude of second and third generation hispanics who will, as the future unfolds, vote for freedom.

Uh-huh. This guy's family had been in the US since Mexico lost the friggin' war.

I was there. They were cheering the jerk, and not this guy.

Hey, the USTP listened respectfully to his arguments, at least. That's more than the GOP folks ever did. And their opposition to granting public assistance was their opposition to public assistance for ANYONE.

[vbmoneyspender]

The Hispanics and Asians that I know that are small businessmen tend to vote Republican. The ones that I know that vote Democrat typically work for the gov't, either that or for some business that feeds off of gov't.

BTW, in the 2000 California election, the Asian vote between Gore and Bush split 48% for Gore and 47% for Bush. I would hardly call that a decisive vote in favor of Democrats. From my understanding of what happened in the 2000 California election, the problem the Republicans had was that more women the men voted in the election (about 53% for women and 47% for men). And the women who voted, voted heavily in favor of the Democrats.

So, as far as the Hispanic and Asian communities are concerned, I am optimistic because Asians and Hispanics tend to be conservative both in their social and economic outlooks. With regard to women, though, I don't know if I have the same optimism.

[Theodore R.]

Here's our slogan for 2002: PUT SIMON FIRST -- JUST SAY NO TO RIORDAN!!!

[vbmoneyspender]

If you have an adobe acrobat reader here is an interesting analysis of the 2000 California Election

[Theodore R.]

How do we know that Gore led Bush among CA Hispanics only 48-47? Was the count ever completed? My understanding was that 500,000 or more early votes in CA were never tabulated. But I did not know that Hispanics split between Bush and Gore. What was the Asian margin for Boxer in 1998--wasn't it more than 55 percent? I think certain Asians distrust whites, for they falsely see conservative whites as the people who dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. But mostly it's just tradition -- the downtrodden go Democrat and have been since the days of Andy Jackson.