Life, The Toughest Choice (anti-abortion and pro-choice)

The Exeter News-Letter ^ | 1/25/2002 | Ken Goodall

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Women have the right to choose

Oh really? And just where in the Constitution is that right detailed?

I say they have the right and the RESPONSIBILITY to choose to stay UNPREGNANT!

What we have now are babies being born to people who are not ready for them financially or mentally.

Yes, those people are known as "The Irresponsible".

[Bowana]

The "solution" is what it always has been and always will be--the expectation, inculcation and normatization of the value of personal responsibility for personal conduct.

That would be Nirvana!

[ROCKLOBSTER]

I have here in front of me DORLAND'S Illustrated Medical Dictionary, a fairly respectable authority on medical terms. First let's look at a couple of definitions:

1. organism..any individual living thing, whether animal or plant.

2. embryo...in humans. the developing ORGANISM from the fourth day after fertilization to the end of the eighth week.

3. fetus..the unborn offspring of any viviparous animal: specifically, the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, after major structures have been outlined, in humans from nine weeks after fertililzation until birth.

Biologically, by definition, the embryo is alive and it has it's own DNA (individual human identity).

I guess political correctness never made it to medical dictionaries.

[Bowana]

If you want to eliminate "welfare mothers pumping out babies," then you are asking for totalitarian control--not unlike Communist China--No thanks;

No Not like Communist China, but there must be a way to keep some mothers from continuing to have more children while on welfare. What right do they have to be a bigger burden on society while others are working two and three jobs to support their families?

One baby on welfare is a mistake, an accident, and that's fine, but more then that and the woman should be forced to work while we take care of the day care just to get them into the work force. Maybe if they do it again we should take the kids and support them but send the mother packing. I know that's Communistic or Totalitarian, but there must be a way to fix the welfare system.

I have heard people say that they didn't take jobs because they make more on welfare. When you suggest working two jobs, they look at you cross eyed. They believe they deserve to be supported by the rest of society.

Personal Responsibility is lost, and welfare just pushes it further away!

[RnMomof7]

Bump

[RnMomof7]

For those women that use abortion as birth control, I would give them one "Mistake" also. One abortion, after that, she would still have her choice but she would be required to seek counseling. Anyone that could go through an abortion and allow herself to be in that situation again needs serious help.

How generous of him..as you can tell from my name my husband and I had several "accidents" but no "mistakes" *grin* all grown now and all solid citizens..

This man has speaks with forked tongue! He needs to think of another unwed Mary and her baby!

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

President Bush had a little announcement on the 29 anniversary of Roe vs. Wade...

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National Sanctity of Human Life Day

National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 2002 by the President of the United States of America a Proclamation.

This Nation was founded upon the belief that every human being is endowed by our Creator with certain "unalienable rights." Chief among them is the right to life itself. The Signers of the Declaration of Independence pledged their own lives, fortunes, and honor to guarantee inalienable rights for all of the new country's citizens. These visionaries recognized that an essential human dignity attached to all persons by virtue of their very existence and not just to the strong, the independent, or the healthy. That value should apply to every American, including the elderly and the unprotected, the weak and the infirm, and even to the unwanted.

Thomas Jefferson wrote that, "[t]he care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government." President Jefferson was right. Life is an inalienable right, understood as given to each of us by our Creator.

President Jefferson's timeless principle obligates us to pursue a civil society that will democratically embrace its essential moral duties, including defending the elderly, strengthening the weak, protecting the defenseless, feeding the hungry, and caring for children -- born and unborn. Mindful of these and other obligations, we should join together in pursuit of a more compassionate society, rejecting the notion that some lives are less worthy of protection than others, whether because of age or illness, social circumstance or economic condition. Consistent with the core principles about which Thomas Jefferson wrote, and to which the Founders subscribed, we should peacefully commit ourselves to seeking a society that values life -- from its very beginnings to its natural end. Unborn children should be welcomed in life and protected in law.

On September 11, we saw clearly that evil exists in this world, and that it does not value life. The terrible events of that fateful day have given us, as a Nation, a greater understanding about the value and wonder of life. Every innocent life taken that day was the most important person on earth to somebody; and every death extinguished a world. Now we are engaged in a fight against evil and tyranny to preserve and protect life. In so doing, we are standing again for those core principles upon which our Nation was founded.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim Sunday, January 20, 2002, as National Sanctity of Human Life Day. I call upon all Americans to reflect upon the sanctity of human life. Let us recognize the day with appropriate ceremonies in our homes and places of worship, rededicate ourselves to compassionate service on behalf of the weak and defenseless, and reaffirm our commitment to respect the life and dignity of every human being.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighteenth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand two, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twenty-sixth.

GEORGE W. BUSH

Official White House Press Release

[xm177e2]

Well if all the Pro-Lifers agreed to pay for these babies then I would support a ban on abortions, except in the cases of Incest, Rape, and the health of the mother.

er... we already DO pay for all of these babies.

[Bowana]

National Sanctity of Human Life Day, 2002 by the President of the United States of America a Proclamation.

I Know, I voted for Him!

That's all he could do since he knows he won't be able to over turn Roe VS Wade.

AND still so many unanswered questions.

[Bowana]

er... we already DO pay for all of these babies.

Yes, but I shouldn't have to!

I believe in abortion as a choice, and pro-lifers do not. So let pro-lifers pay for all the unwanted babies. Agree to that and I'd agree to ban abortions.

[Bowana]

Agree to that and I'd agree to ban abortions.

Except in cases of rape, incest, and the health of the mother.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

RnMomof7

thanks for the bump!

Bowana

I'm fairly decent at web searches, yet I could not find this essay at the newspaper linked on this thread.

From this I must assume that this is a letter to the editor.

Further, since you posted the text, and it does not appear to be online, either you read it and typed it in, or you wrote it.

If you wrote it, my apologies, but this simply does not rise to the standards of Free Republic. The writing is pathetic, the reasoning moreso.

This is a conservative news forum, btw. This essay is morally repugnant, and no, you cannot be pro-life and pro-choice.

[RnMomof7]

Do you have a link on Birth Control pills? My now nursing daughter (a BSN by training) pro life says they do not induce abortions..before she puts one in her mouth post baby I would like something to send her...you are my best source

[Brian Kopp DPM]

This pathetic sap is Me.

My instincts were right. I shoulda just read down a little. You are correct though, in this statement, if not your essay.

[Dec31,1999]

Didn't you say you were pro-life?

Twisting, twisting.

What is the meaning of "is", anyway?

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Here's one I wrote:

The Pill: Contraception Or Abortion?

Here is the definitive medical journal article on the subject. This one is simply irrefutable:

Postfertilization Effects of Oral Contraceptives and Their Relationship to Informed Consent, Walter L. Larimore, MD [Focus on the Family's chief physician advisor, an evangelical Christian]; Joseph B. Stanford, MD, MSPH [a Mormon], from the February 2000 Archives of Family Medicine

[RnMomof7]

Thank you!

[Bowana]

The article appeared in the print version of the newspaper. My column appears on the opinion page.

[Bowana]

Calling someone Pro-Abortion who is really Pro-Choice is twisting words the same way.

[DNA Rules]

This is the most important issue in the world!!!

But here's this: your DNA signature is infused to the little product of conception in the very first moment. It is that signature which is the sole basis for society's claim on holding you to a responsibility: that of paying child support for 18-21 years.

That responsibility is enforced in a more draconian way than any other: if you don't pay child support, you can be put in jail, and thus deprived of your every civil liberty.

Every civilized society must match responsibilities with concordant rights.

Else, we have slavery...and taxation without representation.

Our founding fathers recognized this principle to be worth going to war for.

Thank them for this conviction: it's why we don't live in "The British Empire: American Colonies".

A responsibility so awesome as under-threat-of-jail 18-21 years of child support payments must be matched by concordant rights.

Without the right to protect the existence of something, no other rights pertaining to that something can exist.

In this case: the man's right to protect the product of conception exists as a corrolary principle of the "no rights without responsibilities, no taxation without representation" tenet upon which our nation was founded.

And his right to protect the existence of the product of conception must begin at the same moment that his obligations/responsibilities were signed on to: at conception, per DNA, the legal determiner of biological and thus financially-obligated paternity.