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Former Enron Exec's Death Believed Suicide (Contains facts inconsistent with conspiracy theories)
Houston Chronicle ^ | January 26, 2002 | Eric Hanson and Mary Flood

Posted on 01/26/2002 1:18:16 PM PST by Wolfstar

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To: mewzilla
Why were the authorities so eager to do without an autopsy intitially?

Because this was a Justice of the Peace. In Texas the Justice of the Peace is an elected position. He does not have to have any legal or law enforcement training and usually doesn't. His duties entail signing death certificates (it's not moving, so it must be dead), performing weddings, and adjudicating minor civil offenses. I used to live in that Precinct in that County and worked for a former JP (we had a travel agency in the front rooms of his offices). You could pay off your traffic fines, get married, and book your honeymoon in the same office. Occasionally I would be called upon to serve as a witness for the brid and groom.

61 posted on 01/26/2002 3:09:12 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Wolfstar
Personally I don't consider anyone with $35 million in capital unemployed. They are capitalists, investors, retired but not unemployed. The network admins who lost jobs, savings and retirement money are unemployed in the classic sense.
62 posted on 01/26/2002 3:12:01 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: sinkspur
A kook? Ohhh. That hurts sinkspur. That's about the extent of your ability to debate, as well.
63 posted on 01/26/2002 3:12:30 PM PST by Osinski
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To: mewzilla
Apparently, Houston and D.C. law enforcement have a lot in common

This wasn't Houston Law Enforcement. This was a Ft. Bend County Justice of the Peace (who also serves as the coroner.) And if we want to get picky, the Vince Foster case wasn't handled by DC Law Enforcement -- that was the Park Police, a different agency

64 posted on 01/26/2002 3:12:43 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: sinkspur
It seems to me to take as much tinfoil and faith to believe a Houston ME's quick report than some of the Freepers and their counterpoints you are arguing against.

Why should we believe the ME's report?

65 posted on 01/26/2002 3:14:27 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: sinkspur
...deprived them of the only financial lifeline they had.

Didn't the article say that he had sold $32 million in Enron stock in the last few years? That seems like a pretty big lifeline to me.

66 posted on 01/26/2002 3:16:21 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: mewzilla
2)And I know he's at the heart of the scandal because he's DEAD, no matter what the cause of death. He was either killed because he knew too much, or he killed himself because he knew too much. That means he was a player.

By your logic, Ken Lay (if he was the trigger man)would not be at the center of this because he is still alive. You dont need just a sheet of tin foil, you need a whole case.

67 posted on 01/26/2002 3:18:03 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Wolfstar
FReepers are not supposed to post complete articles, so I "snipped" it.

That just applies to the Washington Post and the LA Times, because of the lawsuit -- and if you are a nice guy, the Jewish World Review so that the owner of that Website can get credit for your hit! Otherwise, whole articles are preferred, I think, because of the archives.

68 posted on 01/26/2002 3:19:08 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Wolfstar
Michael Savage (increasingly the most truly independent talk show host...who does not parrot an official line) had it right on Friday. This is VERY fishy. If this had been in the Clinton administration we would be all over this...but there are many who are trying mightily now to completely discount it because it falls on the watch of GWB's administration. As Savage said, if we saw this in a movie we would think it is very possible the guy could have been killed, a note placed in his hand (and by the way his car locked from the outside with another key). Sorry folks: double standard here. It is AS fishy as Foster's death.
69 posted on 01/26/2002 3:19:31 PM PST by jraven
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Didn't the article say that he had sold $32 million in Enron stock in the last few years? That seems like a pretty big lifeline to me.

Lawsuits have been filed. It's leveraged. The family can't touch it until the suits have been settled.

70 posted on 01/26/2002 3:19:48 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
OTOH, life insurance settlements are usually lawsuit-proof.

Yes but is life insurance paid out for suicides?

71 posted on 01/26/2002 3:20:15 PM PST by Dave S
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To: tippytoes
I agree that the parking of the car a few blocks from his house in a median is a very strange place to kill yourself.

Gotta agree with you. On the other hand, it's an even stranger place for a murder. Even at that time of night, Palm Royale is a fairly busy cut through street.

72 posted on 01/26/2002 3:22:33 PM PST by nepdap
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Sugar Land police spokeswoman Pat Whitty said today that no announcements were expected until the suburban department receives a report from the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office.

And that report has come in, according to FOXNEWS.

The ruling: suicide.

So the Harris County ME concurs with the JP's initial ruling.

73 posted on 01/26/2002 3:22:36 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Dave S
Yes but is life insurance paid out for suicides?

Not usually.

74 posted on 01/26/2002 3:24:17 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: CWRWinger
It seems to me to take as much tinfoil and faith to believe a Houston ME's quick report than some of the Freepers and their counterpoints you are arguing against.

Why should we believe the ME's report?

Maybe because it's his job to determine cause of death, and he does it dozens of times every day.

75 posted on 01/26/2002 3:25:56 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Jack Black
Personally I don't consider anyone with $35 million in capital unemployed.

What makes you think he had $35 million. He sold his stock for $35 million but then would have had to pay a huge amount of taxes on it. He would then have invested it in the stock market. Notice how the market's been doing lately? They said he was looking for a job again. We really don't know what his situation was and he was looking at horrendous legal bills.

76 posted on 01/26/2002 3:26:14 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: sinkspur
Pretty soon this place starts looking like a rubber room.

Its sounded like a rubber room within hours of the suicide. Its really pathethic that so many people have to find some sinister force behind every thing that happens. Back in the middle ages a bird didnt drop from the sky unless it was caused by God. Few believe that anymore but it seems they have replaced it with conspiracies leftover from the 60's like SPECTRE.

77 posted on 01/26/2002 3:26:16 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Jack Black
Personally I don't consider anyone with $35 million in capital unemployed. They are capitalists, investors, retired but not unemployed. The network admins who lost jobs, savings and retirement money are unemployed in the classic sense.

If his "unemployment" kept him from having meaningful contact with friends and associates and he had no meaningful work to do, he could be very depressed. It takes a type A personality to make it to the top of one of these Fortune 500 companies. You dont just retire and sail your boat, not and stay sane.

78 posted on 01/26/2002 3:30:48 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Wolfstar
Thirty-five million dollars buys a lot of the best lawyers. He could sail all of his life and never put his foot in a courtroom.

Just remember the powers that be are circling the wagons and he was a loose cannon in their eyes.

They have all been meeting together to strategize for months and feeling each other out to see who is in and who is out. It has been "we all hang together or we will all hang separately". He was probably the one who they didn't trust to keep his mouth shut and develop early alzheimers.

Remember Clinton lawyers are defending the executives and they want any loose ends tied up. He was a loose end. His death is a message to the others to stay in the circle or else.

Even if his finger prints are on the gun, someone else could have pulled the trigger and dictated the note.

You will have to forgive those of us who have vivid imaginations -- but after a decade of the Clintonistas it is impossible to operate without one.

Finally -- do you remember General Rommel's suicide. Think about it.

79 posted on 01/26/2002 3:31:33 PM PST by Woodkirk
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To: jraven
If this had been in the Clinton administration we would be all over this...but there are many who are trying mightily now to completely discount it because it falls on the watch of GWB's administration. As Savage said, if we saw this in a movie we would think it is very possible the guy could have been killed, a note placed in his hand (and by the way his car locked from the outside with another key). Sorry folks: double standard here. It is AS fishy as Foster's death.

Well, you might be right if this guy was a close personal friend of President Bush and was a member of his administration working in the Whitehouse, but that's not the case. This guy was a former employee of a private company that just went out of business under some pretty fishy circumstances. Whether he committed suicide or was "disposed of" has absolutely nothing to do with politics. If anything, since the guy left the company a couple of years ago, it's far more likely that it would be connected to the administration right before this one.

80 posted on 01/26/2002 3:31:42 PM PST by McGavin999
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