Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

The New York Times | January 25, 2002

[JMJ333]

OH YES WE DO!!!!! Maybe it is just that you dont visit those threads?? Us Fundamentalists are all over those liberal Protestant sects for their apostasy, homosexuality, liberalism, it is just that they dont get enough press compared tot he RCC.

I visit some of them, the Never Ending Story thread, for instance. I never see fury directed toward protestants on threads started by by Catholics on this forum--heated dicussion yes---outright hate? No. We do not post endlessly about the sins of your churches. We are more concerned with ending abortion, and stem cells, athiesm, etc. Not so the fundamentalists. The anger that spews from their hateful mouths is pathetic. Surely you would defend your core beliefs if they were endlessly attacked as mine are. I'm for debate and criticism. After a thread gets hijacked and turned into a Catholic bashing session it only brings lurkers closer to the Catholic Church. For that I am glad.

[JMJ333]

Lurkers: I maintain that these same people who post about the pedophile priest, over and over again, never address a foundational evil that their churches support--Contraception. They attack Catholics with their accusations of evil in our church [some of it accurate], and yet the beam in their own eye is large also. It isn't because they want to see us reformed, or to help us, or pray for us---no...it is because they want to see Catholicsm repudiated and destroyed.

Until the protestant churches address contraception then they are guilty of furthering the culture of death. This should be the number one thing on their agenda, but its not. I think the poster proud2bRC, summed it up best:

"The biggest challenge to christianity is championing the Culture of Life in a society and political climate in large part obsessed with the Culture of Death. If we lose the fight for the Culture of Life, the Republic is lost. Any other political debate is moot.

To understand the roots of the acceptance of many facets of the Culture of Death, one must grasp recent historical developments in Christianity.

As pointed out directly above, in 1930 mainstream "Bible only" protestantism fell away from the constant teaching of Christianity regarding contraception. Christianity always taught contraception was intrinsically evil. (This was ALL Christians, for ALL time, not just Catholics. The point isn't even debatable.)

This change in teaching on contraception is the very root cause of the eventual legalization of abortion.

Abortion follows the acceptance of contraceptive mentality as night follows day. In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the US Supreme Court decision that confirmed Roe v. Wade [U.S. decision to permit abortions] stated "in some critical respects, abortion is of the same character as the decision to use contraception... for two decades of economic and social developments, people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail." As Professor Janet Smith points out, "The Supreme Court decision has made completely unnecessary, any efforts to "expose" what is really behind the attachment of the modern age to abortion. As the Supreme Court candidly states, we need abortion so that we can continue our contraceptive lifestyles."

Furthermore, because mainstream protestantism and "Bible Christianity" in general condones non-procreative contraceptive sex, they have no moral authority upon which to preach against non-procreative homosexual sex, as homosexual "Christian" theologians are pointing out even today.

Thus the homosexual agenda juggernaut is also directly a result of the failure of "Bible Christianity" on the birth control issue, as well as the reluctance of the Catholic hierarchy and priesthood to promote Humanae Vitae and the Church's true teachings on sexuality in general. And if you can kill the innocent baby in the womb, why not granny in the nursing home? Euthanasia too is becoming widespread, as a result of the acceptance of abortion, which came from this change in moral teachings regarding, and acceptance of, the contraceptive mentality among Christian churches.

The widespread acceptance in American culture of the culture of death --abortion, contraception, homosexuality, euthanasia-- lies squarely on the backs of those who caved in on these life issues several decades ago.

Until Christianity turns back from this apostacy, respect for human life from conception til natural death, the hallmark of any true political conservatism, will continue to erode."

287 posted on 1/5/02 9:38 PM Pacific by proud2bRC [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 267 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

[JMJ333]

Why do you think JMJ333 made a sincere request for prayers for our Church to be more proactive in identifying and culling morally devoid "human beings" who also happen to be priests. And how was JMJ333's humble request answered.........with mockery and sarcasm, which provides more evidence that many seek not a solution, but a forum to spew their hatred of the Catholic Church.

See post 82. =)

[JMJ333]

Twice I've borrowed from you today! I'm glad you don't mind! =)

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I hope you have asbestos long johns if you're going to start borrowing my intolerant and judgemental appraisal of the fruits of the reformation... ;-)

[JMJ333]

This thread is a good example of the absolute fury and hatred toward Catholics on this forum that I speak about. Same posters--over 1,200 replies of what I've outlined of their behavior on this thread.

[Doctor Doom]

As one of the outspoken atheists on this forum, I take pride in not singling out my Cathlolic friends for bashing beyond the usual, ecumenical theistic bashing. :)

[JMJ333]

I am happy with the way this thread has progressed. You're example of the evilness of contraception is excellent. Pedophilia is a terrible sin--so is furthering the culture of death.

[JMJ333]

appreciation bump!

[Brian Kopp DPM]

a truly commendable atheist at that

(What should I say if you unexpectedly sneeze online here? I need a quick primer on atheistic etiquette, I'd hate to offend you with the usual response...)

[Doctor Doom]

What should I say if you unexpectedly sneeze online here?

Galt bless you. :)

[JMJ333]

I stand by the article, which you didn't read. However, I was referring to the replies made on that thread. That's okay...I know your agenda.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

JMJ, I think vlh has finally realized that her standard approach is counterproductive. Maybe I shouldn't have let that cat outta the bag in my thread. Patent warned me to keep it a secret that VLH's type's usual approach was driving them home to Rome. Maybe I shoulda listened to his advice?

[Brian Kopp DPM]

trolling is a two way street...and we're not done yet, so many lost souls, such little time

[JMJ333]

Who's trolling? I looked up your posts for the past week. If I pulled an article search everyone would be about Catholics. You're obsessed with tearing us down instead of helping us. For as long as you've been here 95% of your posts are spent denegrating my religion! I know what you're up to!

Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

Reply 83 to JMJ333 by Faith_j
11497269 posted on 1/27/02 8:57 PM pacific

Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

Reply 79 to Moosilauke by Faith_j
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Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

Reply 78 to RaceBannon by Faith_j
11496130 posted on 1/27/02 7:40 PM pacific

Secret file full on Geoghan: Archdiocese told he was `real danger'

Reply 10 to boston_liberty by Faith_j
11493023 posted on 1/27/02 2:44 PM pacific

Priest Says He, Too, Molested Boys Reply 27 to Faith_j; teresat; grlfrnd by Faith_j 11481690 posted on 1/26/02 7:22 PM pacific Priest Says He, Too, Molested Boys

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11481495 posted on 1/26/02 7:07 PM pacific

Priest Says He, Too, Molested Boys

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11480007 posted on 1/26/02 5:23 PM pacific

Priest Says He, Too, Molested Boys

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11479820 posted on 1/26/02 5:11 PM pacific

Priest Says He, Too, Molested Boys

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11479530 posted on 1/26/02 4:49 PM pacific

Archdiocese seeks block on records

Reply 6 to Deep_6 by Faith_j
11478159 posted on 1/26/02 3:05 PM pacific

Priest Says He, Too, Molested Boys

Reply 10 to Artie_Kay by Faith_j
11478028 posted on 1/26/02 2:55 PM pacific

Sins of the fathers: Source: 50 former priests may have molested children

Reply 121 to Unbeliever; ikanakattara by Faith_j
11477920 posted on 1/26/02 2:47 PM pacific

Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

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11468871 posted on 1/25/02 10:09 PM pacific

Sins of the fathers: Source: 50 former priests may have molested children

Reply 115 to boston_liberty by Faith_j
11468404 posted on 1/25/02 9:38 PM pacific

Boston Archdiocese Changes Course <> Reply 9 to Palladin by Faith_j
11468314 posted on 1/25/02 9:32 PM pacific

Boston Archdiocese Changes Course

Reply 8 to Palladin; George W. Bush by Faith_j
11468248 posted on 1/25/02 9:28 PM pacific

Sins of the fathers: Source: 50 former priests may have molested children

Reply 107 to boston_liberty by Faith_j
11463336 posted on 1/25/02 5:31 PM pacific

[JMJ333]

They can gnash their teeth to powder, but our foundation is built on rock!!! Indeed, you have been a burr in the side of the haters--driving people home to Rome. Keep it up!! =)

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Hey, I've enjoyed that thread immensely. My summary can be found with these posts:

Number 249

Number 366

Number 1212

[JMJ333]

Who is the liar VLH?

Here are the links that were indeed on your homepage:

VLH's hate links

More hate...

And more...

etc etc

link

link

I'd ask for an apology for you calling me a liar, but I won't hold my breath.