Papers in Pedophile Case Show Church Effort to Avert Scandal

The New York Times | January 25, 2002

[Loyalist]

I simply love God's word and His son, and ANYTHING that doesn't line up with scripture needs to be exposed for the lie that it is.

Who is to determine what lines up with Scripture?

Do you believe that Scripture is self-interpreting, and therefore needs no intermediary to deliver exegesis or dogmatic interpretation?

If it is not self-interpreting, then how do you know which interpretation is correct?

[Brian Kopp DPM]

This post is only for educational purposes, and is no way intended as insult or to suggest anything whatsoever. But certain of you should read this, in the case of the very very small chance it may apply:

Behaviors that may be early warning signs of schizophrenia include:

	Hearing or seeing something that isn't there
	A constant feeling of being watched
	Peculiar or nonsensical way of speaking or writing
	Strange posturing
	Feeling indifferent to very important situations
	Deterioration of academic or work performance
	A change in personal hygiene and appearance
	A change in personality
	Increasing withdrawal from social situations
	Irrational, angry or fearful response to loved ones
	Inability to sleep or concentrate
	Inappropriate or bizarre behavior
	Extreme preoccupation with religion or the occult

If you or a loved one experience many of these symptoms for more than two weeks, seek medical help immediately.  No cure for schizophrenia has been discovered, but with proper treatment and support, many people with this illness can lead productive and fulfilling lives. 

[noone]

There's a sad point I have to agree with almost. In many fundamental churches, divorce is not considered when someone comes forward for membership. However, in Baptist churches, there is no such thing as annulment, either, so there are two sides to that coin. A Marriage is a marriage, period.

A lawful marriage is a marriage, period. I'm pretty sure Baptists recognize the concept of unlawful marriages. Such as shotgun marriages -- If the compelled party escapes after the wedding (assume no pregnancy here), and gets a civil divorce, is he forbidden from getting married voluntarily later? What if cousins or siblings marry? What if a backsliding church member gets married to an unbeliever in a civil ceremony, then comes to her senses? A Buddhist ceremony? A ceremony at the local Temple of the Frog Goddess? A New Age ceremony where the commitment made is not "till death do us part," but "so long as we both are fulfilled?" What about a church ceremony where one or both of the parties was too drunk or mentally impaired to comprehend what they were doing?

I think that allowing divorce and remarriage for frivolous reasons makes a mockery of marriage, but so does recognizing as marriage everything that purports to be marriage.

I'm Southern, so I'm reluctant to bring up these examples when talking about the majority religion in my region (Baptists) -- lest anyone get the wrong idea, please assume my more gothic examples are taking place in California. (where are you going to find a Buddhist or Frog Goddess temple in the South -- outside Atlanta -- anyway?)

[noone]

An analogy I offer is that honorable and honest members of the law enforcement community despise dishonest, corrupt, brutal cops more than anyone could ever imagine.

I think this is a good analogy. What do honorable and honest policemen do when someone on the force dishonors them all? They condemn it. What do they do when Al Sharpton comes along, and says that the problem is all policemen? They condemn Al Sharpton's lies, along with the actions of the bad cops.

[noone]

marajade posted (#42):
First I've heard that the gospels are unscriptural.

st.smith posted (#61):
Thats not what I said- I said sola scriptura i.e. the Bible alone is unscriptural. If its not- please show me the passage where it says only the Bible is a valid source of authority.

marajade posted (#62):
To: st.smith

The Bible itself.

I'd like to see how y'all work this one out!

[excelsior]

Thank you for your "educational" post. Now go and look in the mirror. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

[excelsior]

Boston Pedophile case and Coverup being discussed right now on NIGHTLINE.

The Bishops' representative is doing very poorly. Chris Boury calls him "disingenuous". I call him a liar.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

LOL. I think you know quite well whose posts on this thread display paranoid schizophrenic delusions. So do all the other readers. Disagree with my opinions and religious beliefs if you will, but I do not continually lie, accuse others of lying, deny it when blatantly caught lying, refuse in Christian charity to apologize for obvious slander, and obsess over another Christian's faith. The behavior of the one to whom I refer seemingly fits many of the behaviors on that list I posted.

I'm crazy but I'm not mentally ill.

[excelsior]

I'm crazy but I'm not mentally ill

Okay.....if you say so. ;)

[noone]

LOL. I think you know quite well whose posts on this thread display paranoid schizophrenic delusions.

We all do. And I don't want to knock the DSM (right now). But isn't THIS a finer diagnostic tool?

[RaceBannon]

Maybe no one saw it?? I sure didnt see it!!

[RaceBannon]

I'm pretty sure Baptists recognize the concept of unlawful marriages

The examples are too numerous to respond to right now, this late, but, no, there are no illegal marriages, but there may be some wrong ones. Either way, while a marriage may be dissolved, there remains the fact that a marriage occured previously, whether moral or otherwise (You mentioned incestuous types). Marriage is Marriage, and a Marriage is never not a marriage, just a past marriage.

There is no prevention against divorcees becoming members of a local assembly, but there is a condemnation by Jesus that those who marry divorcees are living in a state of adultery, so the Local church should consider this, and probably decide against for mal membership because Jesus Himself calls this sin. That does not mean the couple cannot attend worship, nor does it mean their children are condemned y God or something, just that they are in sin. God can still bless them but never the way He would have if there were no previous marriages.

With the commanality of divorce today, if all divorcees were prevented from worship, 1/4 to half the church populations would disappear, regardless of what denomination.

[carlo3b]

Race, until now I have never felt it necessary to defend the faith of my youth, but I've about had it with all of this RC bashing. I have been drawn to this disgusting topic Thread, because I am a parent and Grandparent and have a concern about children. Not too much my surprise it has once again been contorted into a catholic meltdown by a bunch of self appointed Nazi religious scholars.

"...one thing i mentioned about the WHORE OF BABYLON, I said it includes ALL religions, but that it would probably be headed by the RCC because the RCC has the organization the others don't, think about that!!!"""

 WHORE OF BABYLON......A Roman Catholic!!! You have on more than one occasion made that same accusation, and I for one think you are FULL of SH*T, and at 6'4" 345 lbs, thats a real load to carry. LOLOL

I've never had a beef with you Race, I've been kidding myself that you were just a big Teddy Bear, that is until now. Lets see if you can handle it coming back! Lets just see fat a$$ if I get this straight, you're an out of work ME, stringing out the last of the State Unemployment Comp, and have all this time to dwell on the failing of my church, and you claim to be religious!!!!!!  WHORE OF BABYLON INDEED... I haven't been a good Catholic in many years, but bigots like you are making me think I should kick it up a notch!

It's been my experience that the guys that drag the Biggest crosses, wave the Biggest Flags and OTHER STUFF, have little or nothing  much to back it up..ha!
 

[EODGUY]

"I don't know you and didn't ping you. Why do you people lie? And instead of praying for me, why can't you TELL me how to be saved?????? "

I didn't know it was necessary to "know someone" before one is allowed to dispute vile lies being spread.

I will continue to pray for you, because the hate you harbor for the Catholic Church must be debilitating from an emotional, physical and most importantly, spiritual perspective.

How can you be saved........very simple.

Place all your faith, trust and devotion in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior; Adhere to the ten commandments and display your Christian faith by performing good works.

I hope you absorb my comments in the sincere manner they have been presented.

I'm going to be gone for a hopefully short while due to surgery, but I will answer any response you may have when I recover.

God Bless,

EODGUY

[EODGUY]

Very well-stated and accurate.