SECRET PAKISTANI AIRLIFT AIDED TALIBAN, AL QAEDA FIGHTERS

The DrudgeReport ^ | January 20, 2002

[AM2000]

None of these people can be trusted.

Very true. No other nation will ever truly have our interests at heart. They will serve our interests insofar as our interests coincide with theirs, but no further. I'm sure the Bush WH knows this very well; I don't believe they're prone to Clintonian naivete.

[mikeIII]

We must also note that there are Indians on all sides as well. None of these people can be trusted.

The Indians haven't been grooming the likes of the Taliban and nurturing terrorist/extremist/jihadi religious schools. Neither has their government been sponsoring the likes of OBL and Al Quaida. I would trust the Indians before I would the Pakistanis a mile away.

What exactly do you find about the Indians that you can't trust in relation to the Pakistanis? Or are they both of the same extremist-infested, terrorism-sponsoring group of countries in your mind?

[mikeIII]

See post #102.

[AM2000]

There are plenty of elements in the Indian polity that can't be trusted - all of them with not insignificant political power. That right now a coalition of pragmatic nationalists hold power in New Delhi means nothing as an indicator of who will hold power there in the future. Indian politics is volatile, as you (presumably) know. Some of those elements to look out for are..

1. the right-wing swadeshi crowd, an Indian version of the Buchananites. Cultural conservatives, they hate foreign influences of all kinds. They are a strong, but currently sidelined, force in the BJP.
2. The left-wing crowd, basically socialists and communists. They are a strong force in the main opposition party (the Congress), and are the driving force behind many of the smaller parties on which any future Congress-led government would look for support. They hate America/capitalism as a matter of doctrine.
3. The populist crowd, politicians whos appeal is based on being against the Indian elite; this almost always translates to being anti-America. These people have an alliance with the socialist crowd. They hate America, and due to their dependence on the Muslim vote, they will hate America even more, if a Congress-led government were to come to power that depended on these folk for Parliamentary support.

Bottom line, there is plenty of reason to doubt the continuity of Indian foreign policy. It is still hostage to their domestic situation, so they can not be trusted. Nor can the Pakistanis, but you already know why.

[mikeIII]

The parallels you draw in themselves support the democratic nature of Indian politics. If you are saying we can't depend on India being an ally, it is understandable, based on history - although alliances now have a whole new basis and motive. But it does not amount to a question of "trust" as in the case of Pakistan! It's a big mistake to think that these two countries are the same! I notice you referring to the Indian press frequentyly enough. How often do you refer to the Pakistan media and why not?

[AM2000]

But it does not amount to a question of "trust" as in the case of Pakistan!

If you're saying we have no reason to fear that a group of Indians will fly planes into buildings, your point is well taken. I was referring more to the continuity of India as an ally. They can't be trusted to always be "friendly". This "biggest democracy in the world" thing is a double-edged sword.

I notice you referring to the Indian press frequentyly enough. How often do you refer to the Pakistan media and why not?

The Pakistani media is a joke.

[muawiyah]

The deal was that Schwarzenegger and Stallone raised a whole big bunch of money for Bill Clinton on behalf of Bosnian Gypsies.

Then, when the time came for the war, Bill betrayed them, and the Gypsies were among the first people to suffer from the attack.

We might note that Bill took the Gypsy money and didn't help them because they are not one of his tribes. Actually, most of the Gypsies in Billzo's background left Bosnia in the late 1500s for Germany when they became Mennonites.

Any Bosnian or Serbian Gypsy who thought they could pay Alms to Billzo and get aid had failed to come to grips with his or her own history.

[mikeIII]

You seem somewhat better informed on the Indian political scene than I. Nonetheless, I think it's not a matter of trust or consistency. Heck, they have been "faithfully" aligned to the Soviets for decades! I believe this was as a result of an equally sustained alliance that we had with Pakistan, and with China also being aligned to Pakistan. Now that we all know the Pakistani situation and the problems in that neighborhood, India's thinking has to change.

Once this cleanup is over and there are no serious flare-ups, I think US and India will have a much closer relationship. Alliance? Idon't know.

[muawiyah]

You know, there's stuff going down all the time in the Balkans that you folks totally ignore because you are very much immersed in what we identify as class system politics.

If someone tells you Bill Clinton was a direct descendant in the male line from a gentleman in the mid 1800s called Billy Blythe who was "king of the Gypsies" in North America, you just ignore it because Gypsies are at the bottom of the social order in the Balkans.

In fact, you people used to keep them as slaves didn't you?

On the other hand, America was very, very good to the Gypsies. They did very well financially. Bill Clinton's homestate, Arkansas, has some very wealthy Gypsy families - worth billions and billions of dollars. He took care of them. They took care of him.

Even his wife is some kind of traditional royalty - but neither one of them is very closely related to your Gypsies. That's why when they offered him a bribe to help them during the Kosovo War, he took their money and ignored them.

Now, what was it you were saying about gullibility? Those bad boys flip you people one side and then the other.

BTW, where are the "7 Golden Hills"? Bet you haven't got an idea do you?

[aristeides]

I'm sure everyone recalls the sketchy news reports at the time. I think it's best to fess up that they agreed to very limited evacuation of Pakistanis, but that it got out of hand.

Translation: the U.S. agreed to allow Pakistan to evacuate its ISI officers, and then Pakistan chose to evacuate everybody it could.

[AM2000]

You watch too many Hollywood movies, dude...

[AM2000]

I was referring to your use of the terms 'blackie' and 'cubano' and 'whitey'. It's very revealing.

[muawiyah]

Look, you'd last about 15 seconds in a beer joint in Gary, Hammond or East Chicago - probably because one of your Serbs'd cut your guts out for mouthing off.

It's not like we don't know something about you guys.

On the other hand, you live up to the ancient Serbian reputation for not recognizing "friendly forces". (We actually have comedians with routines concerning that characteristic.)

I would have much preferred lining up some of those old Albanian SS guys and putting them on trial long before anybody got around to your latest problem - Milosovic.

Note, from the American perspective, the Balkan prejudice against Gypsies seems to be totally meaningless - after all, all of you people look alike, have the same accent in English, and are otherwise not different culturally, or in terms of religion.

So, tell me, what is the difference between a Serb or Albanian and a Gypsy? Do you see something the rest of the world doesn't?

[aristeides]

Serbs are Christians. Most Albanians and, I believe, Gypsies are not.

[muawiyah]

Look, you'd last about 15 seconds in a beer joint in Gary, Hammond or East Chicago - probably because one of your Serbs'd cut your guts out for mouthing off.

It's not like we don't know something about you guys.

On the other hand, you live up to the ancient Serbian reputation for not recognizing "friendly forces". (We actually have comedians with routines concerning that characteristic.)

I would have much preferred lining up some of those old Albanian SS guys and putting them on trial long before anybody got around to your latest problem - Milosovic.

Note, from the American perspective, the Balkan prejudice against Gypsies seems to be totally meaningless - after all, all of you people look alike, have the same accent in English, and are otherwise not different culturally, or in terms of religion.

So, tell me, what is the difference between a Serb or Albanian and a Gypsy? Do you see something the rest of the world doesn't?