Posted on 01/09/2002 7:29:19 AM PST by truthandlife
You are right....but what it comes down to is where does a given society draw the line on any given behavior. Let's be free spirited and say...hey....you like sex with small children, go ahead as long as their parents consent and you do it out of my sight. Is that too far for you?? Societies decide where to set the line. By mans nature when the line is pushed further down, then the next generation wants to push it further down. It comes down to defining morality....and those without God will never agree with those who have God.
No, but it is the only reason it is illegal. It is bad because it is evil.
The pressure is really not that bad. You get used to it after a while.
Yep, some Eric in Oklahoma City who likes to advertise his wife (and some day his kids) on the net. Why not let her come in here on this thread and speak for herself. I'm sure she can speak for herself.
You try to blur the line between consenting adults and CP. But it won't wash, bucko.
No, nothing explicitly. However, deliberately viewing others engaged in sexual acts falls under two commandments: "you shall not covet the wife of another" and "you shall not commit adultery." Then there is the instructive story of David and Bathsheba:
2 Samuel 11
1 In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war, David sent Joab out with the king's men and the whole Israelite army. They destroyed the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David remained in Jerusalem.
2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful,
3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, "Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?"
4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home.
5 The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, "I am pregnant."
6 So David sent this word to Joab: "Send me Uriah the Hittite." And Joab sent him to David.
7 When Uriah came to him, David asked him how Joab was, how the soldiers were and how the war was going.
8 Then David said to Uriah, "Go down to your house and wash your feet." So Uriah left the palace, and a gift from the king was sent after him.
9 But Uriah slept at the entrance to the palace with all his master's servants and did not go down to his house.
10 When David was told, "Uriah did not go home," he asked him, "Haven't you just come from a distance? Why didn't you go home?"
11 Uriah said to David, "The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents, and my master Joab and my lord's men are camped in the open fields. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and lie with my wife? As surely as you live, I will not do such a thing!"
12 Then David said to him, "Stay here one more day, and tomorrow I will send you back." So Uriah remained in Jerusalem that day and the next.
13 At David's invitation, he ate and drank with him, and David made him drunk. But in the evening Uriah went out to sleep on his mat among his master's servants; he did not go home.
14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah.
15 In it he wrote, "Put Uriah in the front line where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die."
16 So while Joab had the city under siege, he put Uriah at a place where he knew the strongest defenders were.
17 When the men of the city came out and fought against Joab, some of the men in David's army fell; moreover, Uriah the Hittite died.
What about written pornography?
Also immoral.
From this we are apparently supposed to conclude that any "real world" marriage is one where the wife doesn't care about pornography. It also implies that issues of trust and fidelity are trumped by orgasms.
Now you've started adding qualifiers:
A - it depends on the wife.
Of course it does. And I'd bet that most wives would care a great deal.
B - since any woman that knows anything about men knows they get he appetite from just about anything they'd be pretty dumb to object unless the man started going overboard (overboard being defined by each relationship, just like everything else).
So any woman who objects to pornography is dumb? Once again -- orgasms trump fidelity?
C - Nobody indicated that Eric couldn't raise the flag without porn, the only indication was that he and spouse enjoy porn before intercourse sometime; there's a big difference.
You didn't talk about Eric and wife, you talked about "any woman" and "any marriage." (The latter by implication from "a marriage that aknowledges....")
In the real world -- as recounted those who've done marriage counseling -- pornography does in fact present a problem for marriages.
It is not "confidence in opinion" which is being questioned.
It is abuse, scorn, self-righteousness, and prideful arrogance which is being questioned.
These things were specifically prohibited by Jesus.
I know a fair number of Christians who are quite confident in their opinions, and who rarely (if ever) engage in such behaviors. I gives me cause to respect their faith, inasmuch as they place enough value in that faith to actually practice it. I count these people as friends, and I value their opinions greatly. Confidence does not require arrogance. (although it makes a convenient excuse for arrognace)
And why, specifically and Biblically, is written porn immoral?
You're right. I'll have a talk with her.
However, you are quite busily engaged in branding the behavior as improper, which suggests that your own religious faith (libertarianism) would also prohibit them.
Do you beleieve the behavior described, is in keeping with the dictates of your faith?
I don't understand. Weren't age of consent laws brought into being precisely because children do not have the ability to make the necessary decisions. If so, then it is an age of consent issue.
But how well?
Nope, you who have to have it will cause the age of consent to drop. In the meantime the porn with teens is "kiddie porn" and you will be prosecuted by zealous federal prosecuters for violating this law for your lusts. Now that President Bush is in office your industry stock is going to dip, at least we hope and pray so.
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