Posted on 01/08/2002 6:41:52 PM PST by super175
It has GWB wearing a big cowboy hat and rolling up his sleeve saying "Whaddya know? Another crusade!" and on the side is says "Steady George"
Must be some of that "laizzez-faire stuff." It always stirs up the hornet's nest.
Why should a hongkong person bother the US government?
Your line of reasoning leads one to think "this person is a subject of the Communist Party, and hence the Communist Party can do whatever they want to him."
The thinking that 'this is only one person, why worry' is barbaric.
Unexplained hardness won't be productive. Being difficult for no reason other than being difficult is not good. It must be accompanied with incentives, learning, education, and a clear cut message about what we expect.
If someone whipped their kid and did not tell him why, or without trying to do any find outs or teaching, then the whole learning process is out the door.
If we want long term better results, we have to mix our hardness with something, and be clear and consistent about it.
The US has trade relations with almost all counties in the world. Ther are abuse of pwoer and discriminations in many countries, including the US itself. So you don't want to trade with them?
>>Your line of reasoning leads one to think "this person is a subject of the Communist Party, and hence the Communist Party can do whatever they want to him."
No, the person is a Chinese citizen, not a subject of the CCP. I don't thnk the US government should get involved in the case.
Maybe, these 'bibles' are NOT really the "BIBLE"
(Must be KJV,...66 books, or from NT=Textus Receptus Text, OT=Massoretic Text, MUST include 1st John 5:7 IN THE SUBSTANCE of the TEXT and NOT in a margin or footnote,...etc.)
?? Bibles ?? BIBLES=THE ONLY HOLY SCRIPTURE
ANYTHING 'other' than the 'above' is NOT a part of THE HOLY SCRIPTURE........Period!!
America, me especially has no fundamental problem with the death penalty. Just so long as their is ample evidence that makes it known for 100% that a person is guilty of some heineious crime, I say light em up.
I am not opposed to the Chinese giving the death penalty as long as the proof is there and there has been a fair trial and proceedings, including no planting false evidence or whatever.
Some of those Europeans have a fundamental problem with the state, any state putting people to death for any reason at all. With them, Osama killed 3,000 people, but you still could not execute him. With that, no war is justified, ever, even the one against Hitler, which saved the European's asses. Their argument is fundamentally flawed.
Where to draw the line now is a different matter.
The punishment itself is not what is in question here, it is the law that persecutes someone for doing something so basic as believe in a religion.
You have state sanctioned persecution of religion. Anything they think that you should not believe in, sorry.
It is a monumental abuse of power. It goes against the very tenets of basic humanity. The basic freedom to choose ones belief system is accepted world-wide, except in China and some other power abusive systems. They can't be having anything that competes with their political power.
They are choosing political power in a flawed system over protecting of people, which protecting the people is what governments are designed for in the first place.
Perhaps Bush was giving them a chance to correct the error of their ways before using stronger measures.
I have made an honest effort to buy USA made products, and would gladly pay more, but all I can find on my shopping list is 'made in China'.
The good news is (I think) we stand a better chance of addressing their poor humanitarian ethics with some kind of trade agreement in place. Capitalism is slowly spreading in China so that hopefully one day their economy will be so dependent on trade that they will mend their ways. I don't like giving them favored trade nation status as yet, though, and don't understand Bush's allowing this to occur.
It is hopeful that trade will further open the lines of communication so that maybe we won't ever have to see whose nukes are more powerful.
The US has trade relations with almost all counties in the world. Ther are abuse of pwoer and discriminations in many countries, including the US itself.
America is not being hypocritical about it at all. Over the past 200 years America has experienced so much improvements in basic human rights. It amazes me that a black man is now Secretary of State. A Chinese lady is Secretary of Labor, that says a lot right there. Went from working on the railroads to one of the top posts in the government. We have Mexican lawyers in the White House even.
America has definately kept the door open, and said something about its own record, and did something about it too. No one is immune, but at least we put our money where our mouth is.
I think America can and should say something about it, because it has the best interest of the people at hand, unlike the power abusive authorities in China.
America has set the tone with its own actions, but Chinese authorities don't feel the need to jump on the train and join in.
Finally though, you gotta ask yourself this one question: If you saw your neighbor out on his front lawn beating his wife and kids, would you still have respect for him? Would you still be friends with him?
There are such things as common rules and standards of conduct.
China must decide, are they going to be part of the civilized world or not?
I do however feel that there are at least some people who want to come to a common understanding...
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