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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: tacticalogic
Where do you suppose they got the idea they could get away with such twisted logic?

And when's the last time a member of Congress even suggested a SCOTUS judge should face impeachment? What a flaming bunch of co-conspirators they are.

2,061 posted on 01/29/2002 1:37:06 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: biblewonk
How is your liberty, as granted by the constitution, violated by making heroine and cocaine illegal to own or sell?

You ARE ignorant. The Constitution GRANTS NOTHING. Rights are not GRANTED by government, for what government gives government can take away. RIGHTS come from God and Nature. The Constitution we live under PROTECTS our rights from government. Please learn to read and think. Especially THINK! It pains me to see such ignorance and one of your fellow drug warriors says that such pain is a violation of my rights.

2,062 posted on 01/29/2002 6:31:43 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Djarum
Defending drug abuse. It's a a dirty job, but some idiot has to do it.
2,063 posted on 01/29/2002 8:18:33 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: dcwusmc
Defending drug abuse is your highest and best purpose in life, is it?

Pathetic.

2,064 posted on 01/29/2002 8:19:53 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
>>Defending drug abuse. It's a a dirty job, but some idiot has to do it<<

Defending liberty means defending the right of a person to do things I may think are stupid or self-destructive. If I only defend those things that I think are correct and valid then I don't deserve liberty nor will I long have it.

If you believe that it is moral to put your neighbor in prison for doing something you don't like, not only are you an enemy of everything American, you are an enemy of Christianity.

2,065 posted on 01/29/2002 10:16:51 PM PST by LloydofDSS
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To: LloydofDSS
If America doesn't legalize crack, it doesn't deserve to be free?

Bizarre.

2,066 posted on 01/29/2002 11:16:59 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: dcwusmc
The constitution is not worth the paper it's written on compared to the bible, duh! This just in. It pains me to speak to teenagers so please don't speak to me anymore.
2,067 posted on 01/30/2002 4:40:31 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: Kevin Curry;Djarum;dcwusmc;LloydofDSS;biblewonk;: tacticalogic;newgeezer;tpaine;dosa26;Roscoe
Vices Are Not Crimes
A Vindication of Moral Liberty
by Lysander Spooner, 1875

Vices are those acts by which a man harms himself or his property.
Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another.
Vices are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others, and no interference with their persons or property.

In vices, the very essence of crime - that is, the design to injure the person or property of another - is wanting.

It is a maxim of the law that there can be no crime without a criminal intent; that is, without the intent to invade the person or property of another.
But no one ever practises a vice with any such criminal intent. He practices his vice for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others.
Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty, or property, and the corresponding and coequal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property.
For a government to declare a vice to be a crime, and to punish it as such, is an attempt to falsify the very nature of things. It is as absurd as it would be to declare truth to be falsehood, or falsehood truth.
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As you can see this debate has raged for quite sometime.
With the exception of the short-lived prohibition experiment, our government has tended to agree with the above, recently however that has not been the case.

Could it be that the prevalent vision of what life is about has changed in America?
Let me clarify my question;
If a man chooses to {insert vice here} after a long day of plowing behind his mule in the middle of the 100 acre farm that he owns, under what veil of morality can he be labeled a criminal?
He can't.

In order to make that leap we have to change the scenario, we must bring that man into a closer relationship to other individuals. We must bring him into the village.

Perhaps Hillery was right .... it takes a village.

So much depends on our perception of who we are. Are we free and independent men or are we members of the village?
As for me, I stand free.

2,068 posted on 01/30/2002 4:50:55 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: biblewonk;dcwusmc
The constitution is not worth the paper it's written on compared to the bible, duh! This just in. It pains me to speak to teenagers so please don't speak to me anymore. You have shown yourself to be the biggest Constitutional Idiot I've seen express views here at FR. That is a tall 0rder to fill and puts you in the company of some of the greats here, you should be proud. I predict if you don't find it in your heart to understand the correlation between the Bible and the Constitutional Republic which we live, you will soon find yourself unable to relate to either, without some form of punishment heading your way from your beloved State. And BTW, you exposed yourself as the teenager in many of the dozen or so post you've made on this thread that I bothered to read. Trust this, you are not as enlightened as you would like everyone to believe. Just another Drug Warrior. A dime a dozen here. You've added nothing to this debate that hasn't been spewed many times before.

Good day to dcwusmc, somehow I find it hard to believe you are still a teenager. Do you even wish it? Blackbird.
2,069 posted on 01/30/2002 5:49:11 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST
Yawn.
2,070 posted on 01/30/2002 7:07:14 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: BlackbirdSST;dcwusmc;biblewonk
If I may be so bold, I'd like to take a stab at explaining how biblewonk's comparison of the Constitution to the bible has some merit.

The bible has withstood the test of time. It means what it says and says what it means, despite the continued attempts to change, ignore, or explain it away.

The Constitution, on the other hand, has been twisted, ignored, diluted and virtually discarded by the very people entrusted to enforce it (judges, legislators, and presidents). Thus, as much as I, like most of you, will always hold in high esteem and honor the words it contains and the men who gave it to us, history -- especially since 1861 -- has practically relegated it to the ash heap. When one compares its words to the present state of our union, it can easily be said that "it's not worth the paper it's written on." For proof of its virtual demise, one only has to read it, and then take a look at the Federal budget, the Federal bureaucracy, the "separation of church and state," the many ways and many times the right to keep and bear arms has been infringed, the seizing of States' powers by the Federal government, etc., etc.

2,071 posted on 01/30/2002 7:55:56 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: THEUPMAN
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39fce5ba5cc1.htm
2,072 posted on 01/30/2002 8:14:57 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
Addicted to the Drug War is an interesting title for this piece. It seems to me that the drug users and apologists would be more concerned about their own addiction.
2,073 posted on 01/30/2002 8:21:30 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: newgeezer
The Constitution, on the other hand, has been twisted, ignored, diluted and virtually discarded by the very people entrusted to enforce it (judges, legislators, and presidents). Thus, as much as I, like most of you, will always hold in high esteem and honor the words it contains and the men who gave it to us, history -- especially since 1861 -- has practically relegated it to the ash heap. When one compares its words to the present state of our union, it can easily be said that "it's not worth the paper it's written on." For proof of its virtual demise, one only has to read it, and then take a look at the Federal budget, the Federal bureaucracy, the "separation of church and state," the many ways and many times the right to keep and bear arms has been infringed, the seizing of States' powers by the Federal government, etc., etc.

Then the object would be to reinstate the Constitution, not continue to erode it. The best the biblewonk can add to this is a yawn. So be it. I'll not take a defeatist attitude towards my Constitution. Until the scum are ready to burn it in my presence, then I'll continue to observe it as the Law of the land. I'll also continue to defend it, till the scum drop a hammer on me. The day will come, in fact it's right around the corner, where folks like the biblewonk will be shot on sight with the bible in his hand. All because of his own inaction. It'll come from his beloved State. Not much to yawn about, IMHO. Blackbird.
2,074 posted on 01/30/2002 11:46:42 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST
ditto
2,075 posted on 01/30/2002 3:04:05 PM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: BlackbirdSST
Only sometimes, my friend. When I wish I still had the energy! However, dealing with people like this so-called biblewonk, who are dumber than stumps, takes more energy than I can safely expend if I want to be able to do other things also! I will ignore Kevin Curry and his snide little message... IMHO, he's a troll or a moron studying to be an idiot and I see little difference between the two...
2,076 posted on 01/30/2002 6:26:36 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Roscoe
>>If America doesn't legalize crack, it doesn't deserve to be free?<<

First of all, freedom is a lot of things. You might think of our country as having a "freedom score", where out of a perfect 100 we are scoring about a 60. I have spoken with middle class Mexicans who think Mexico is far more free than the US. I have spoken with Dutch people who think they are far freer than the US.

Keep in mind that a freedom score of 100 does not mean you can commit a crime. There is no such thing as the freedom to commit a crime. But vices are not crimes. When we try and turn vices into crimes our "freedom score" goes down.

Do you really understand the meaning of freedom?

2,077 posted on 01/30/2002 11:51:14 PM PST by LloydofDSS
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To: LloydofDSS
Zealotry and ignorance aren't perfection.
2,078 posted on 01/31/2002 12:02:09 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: LloydofDSS
Do you really understand the meaning of freedom?

It's obvious that Roscoe has no conception of freedom, considering his latest Drivel McNugget answer to your question.

2,079 posted on 01/31/2002 9:05:42 AM PST by bassmaner
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To: bassmaner
You're free to throw tantrums, even though tantrums aren't a foundation for freedom.
2,080 posted on 01/31/2002 9:57:29 AM PST by Roscoe
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