Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
Wrong. You seem to give all the credit to the cretins who would seek to take by force...and forget that to take by force one must overcome resistance. While Society might undergo a period of adjustment (I like to call such a period the self- chlorination of the gene pool), as those who seek to take by force are weeded out by those of us with balls enough to stop them, the result would never become an Orwellian nightmare.
For that to occur the "boot endlessly stomping on a human face" would have to be attached to the heel of Government - and you are predicating your nightmare on the dissolution of said Government. Did you actually read 1984, or do you just quote from it to sound intellectual?
Pipe dreams for a pipe Party.
Here's their old, tired, discredited, liberal ideal:
"All me to be irresponsible, and I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility."
Such a swell deal, eh?
Karl Marx couldn't have put it better.
Well, well.. they were frolicking and stuff down there..
But, they didn't sign no papers or nothing like that..
Why can't I make your wife a prostitute, or screw a goat in front of your kids, or sell them drugs? What are you gonna do TPaine? Pass a Law?
Good grief, you ARE as dumb as a box of rocks. This is your 'hole' card?
Why can't I make your wife a prostitute,
-- Try to make my wife do anything, and you are a violent felon. Soon to be a dead felon, if I catch you in the act.
or screw a goat in front of your kids,
-- Ditto. -- Your sick sexual acts would, imo, harm my kids.
or sell them drugs?
Ditto again, in spades.
What are you gonna do TPaine? Pass a Law?
-- Don't need to, dumbo. --- I am perfectly happy with the constitutional criminal laws that have existed since the founding of the republic, - that protect my family from creeps like you, & your sicko acts.
Whatta wierdo. You dug quite a hole. Two bits you can't get out.
Oh, really. Would anarchists spend 900+ posts analyzing and defending their understanding of the Constitution? Let's just stand back and admire what an incredibly obtuse statement this is, in light of this thread. The ONLY part of the federal government that libertarians whole-heartedly support is Justice and Defense. Libertarians want to cease spending money on social agendas and devote our laws exclusively to jailing or killing those who hurt others. As between Libertarians and any major political party, when it comes to putting your wallet where your mouth is, it's republicans and democrats who are, by comparison, anarchists. Libertarians are serious about enforcing tort laws. The others, like you, have a zillion other social agendas on their mind.
Would you do business with traitor John Walker?
Stop playing by their rules.
In a world of law abiding citizens -- people that don't initiate force -- they have nothing to hide. The parasitical elite -- the most destructive users of the initiation of force, fraud and coercion -- have that to hide. They have to hide their true parasitical colors. They do it by an array of illusions. But illusions are just that. All illusions eventually collapse when the the spotlight of honesty and wide-scope accounting is shinned on them.
While past performance is not a guarantee of future performance, it is a ten times more likely to be an accurate gauge for what a politician will do than a politician that merely proclaims what he or she will do.
Make it mandatory that every politician show their government ID when purchasing any good or service. After all, we are their employer and they our employees. The People are the master.
The ostracism matrix database. A database that gives an objective rating of each politicians past performance. How often did the congressperson vote in favor of a law that violates the constitution or bill of rights? How often did the politician violate his or her oath of office to the people and the constitution? Each politician has a value destruction rating.
Picture this. A politician or bureaucrat is at the check out counter and must show his government employee ID. The sales clerk checks it against the ostracism database and says, "Sir, you have a triple AAA value destruction rating. Get out of here now. We don't sell to parasites or value destroyers."
Just as consumers rely heavily on the track record of past performance when they buy a car or chose a contractor to build a house even more scrutiny of past performance should be applied to electing politicians. The best track records of past performance are that of the businessman. Either they deliver as their track record shows or they get out-competed.
Value Destroyers versus Value Producers
If civilization had to chose between business/science and government/bureaucracy, eliminating the other, which is the better choice?
The first thing civilization must have is business/science. It's what the family needs so that its members can live creative, productive, happy lives. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy.
Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science and family is the host and government/bureaucracy is a parasite.
Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today.
Underwriters Laboratory is a private sector business that has to compete in a capitalist market. Underwriters laboratory is a good example of success where government fails.
Any government agency that is a value to the people and society could better serve the people by being in the private sector where competition demands maximum performance.
Wake up! We are the host. They are the parasites. We don't need them. They need us.
Below is as far as Jhoffa_ would discuss the issue.
Make it mandatory that every politician show their government ID when purchasing any good or service. After all, we are their employer and they our employees. The People are the master.
I am sorry, I only got this far before bursting out laughing..
LOL! William Jefferson Clinton.. $775.00 for 'services rendered'
Zon wrote: If the regular law abiding custmers knew the true colors of the parasitical elite many would refuse to shop at a store that sells to politicians and bureaucrats. Thus the store owner has a choice; charge the parasite way more than regular customers or kick them out of their store. Most store owners would rather kick them out of the store than take a politician's blood money.
Do you think the ostracism database and politician/bureaucrat ID would clean up government waste and abuse in a hurry?
Jhoffa_ wrote: No, of course not.. It will only hinder us "litle folk"
Zon wrote: Please elaborate on that. ...How would it hinder "little folks" to ostracize dishonest politicians thereby helping tremendously to ensure that honest persons are elected to government offices.
Jhoffa_, I'm waiting for you to explain how it would hinder "little folks" to ostracize dishonest politicians thereby helping tremendously to ensure that honest persons are elected to government offices.
I like you alot.. And I basically like the Libertarians..
But you cannot tell me that you will ride the Libertarian ideology out to the edge for the sake of consistancy.. Can you?
come on.. all the way out..
Sheesh. FreeRepublic performs a great public service by allowing these moral-liberal social-Darwinists their little platform for the whole world to see how wretched their mindset really is. Decrease the "surplus population," eh, Ebinezer?
So me and bessie are off the hook?
Stop running your mouth off and respond to my previous argument.
What is it that you want me to prove? That you can make up anything you like about what libertarian theory says & then demand I refute it? I think that's pretty self-evident.
Perhaps the title of this should be "Addicted to Drug War Threads"?
Period.
I oppose them because of the potential for expansion and abuse.
There, you happy now?
Why I can't do with MY property as I please in your utopia.. ( hey man, remember.. no force or fraud )
What Government Agency will stop me..?
You bitch about "FREEDOM" but I see none here..
LOL! Perhaps it should..
Pol Pot, with a twist.
1. Allow ninja-clad thugs to break down doors in the middle of the night;
2. Allow ninja-clad thugs to use blank, fake or NO warrants in the course of their "work";
3. Allow ninja-clad thugs to seize property without a warrant or a trial or even filing charges.
Here, for your edification, is the Bill of Rights:
Bill of Rights (source: http://www.constitution.org/)
Index | Main Constitution | Additional Amendments | Documentary History
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.
Index | Main Constitution | Additional Amendments | Documentary History
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