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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: Jhoffa_
Do the bass consent to being caught for dinner? You wouldn't want to be initiating force, now.
1,001 posted on 01/01/2002 4:33:25 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Roscoe; JHoffa_
As the governmental mechanisms for establishing, defining and protecting it dissolved, property would become simply a matter of who had the force to take it. Orwell's nightmare vision of a boot endlessly stomping on a human face would be realized.

Wrong. You seem to give all the credit to the cretins who would seek to take by force...and forget that to take by force one must overcome resistance. While Society might undergo a period of adjustment (I like to call such a period the self- chlorination of the gene pool), as those who seek to take by force are weeded out by those of us with balls enough to stop them, the result would never become an Orwellian nightmare.

For that to occur the "boot endlessly stomping on a human face" would have to be attached to the heel of Government - and you are predicating your nightmare on the dissolution of said Government. Did you actually read 1984, or do you just quote from it to sound intellectual?

1,002 posted on 01/01/2002 4:33:34 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Cultural Jihad
"May we meet someday to discuss the conversion of DEA HQ...."

Pipe dreams for a pipe Party.

1,003 posted on 01/01/2002 4:35:25 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Jhoffa_
Hey man.. I thought we were supposed to be all, like "FREE" and stuff..

Here's their old, tired, discredited, liberal ideal:
"All me to be irresponsible, and I'll allow you all to pay for the consequences of my irresponsibility."
Such a swell deal, eh?

1,004 posted on 01/01/2002 4:35:41 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Abundy
...Society might undergo a period of adjustment...

Karl Marx couldn't have put it better.

1,005 posted on 01/01/2002 4:36:21 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Cultural Jihad

Well, well.. they were frolicking and stuff down there..

But, they didn't sign no papers or nothing like that..

1,006 posted on 01/01/2002 4:36:35 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
So? Show us the hole, you dolt. Punch away.

Why can't I make your wife a prostitute, or screw a goat in front of your kids, or sell them drugs? What are you gonna do TPaine? Pass a Law?

Good grief, you ARE as dumb as a box of rocks. This is your 'hole' card?

Why can't I make your wife a prostitute,

-- Try to make my wife do anything, and you are a violent felon. Soon to be a dead felon, if I catch you in the act.

or screw a goat in front of your kids,

-- Ditto. -- Your sick sexual acts would, imo, harm my kids.

or sell them drugs?

Ditto again, in spades.

What are you gonna do TPaine? Pass a Law?

-- Don't need to, dumbo. --- I am perfectly happy with the constitutional criminal laws that have existed since the founding of the republic, - that protect my family from creeps like you, & your sicko acts.

Whatta wierdo. You dug quite a hole. Two bits you can't get out.

1,007 posted on 01/01/2002 4:37:14 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Jhoffa_
And like all the rest, you refuse to source the differences..

Oh, really. Would anarchists spend 900+ posts analyzing and defending their understanding of the Constitution? Let's just stand back and admire what an incredibly obtuse statement this is, in light of this thread. The ONLY part of the federal government that libertarians whole-heartedly support is Justice and Defense. Libertarians want to cease spending money on social agendas and devote our laws exclusively to jailing or killing those who hurt others. As between Libertarians and any major political party, when it comes to putting your wallet where your mouth is, it's republicans and democrats who are, by comparison, anarchists. Libertarians are serious about enforcing tort laws. The others, like you, have a zillion other social agendas on their mind.

1,008 posted on 01/01/2002 4:37:42 PM PST by donh
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To: Jhoffa_;tpaine;donh;southern rock;AKbear;headsonpikes;

Would you do business with traitor John Walker?

Stop playing by their rules.

In a world of law abiding citizens -- people that don't initiate force -- they have nothing to hide. The parasitical elite -- the most destructive users of the initiation of force, fraud and coercion -- have that to hide. They have to hide their true parasitical colors. They do it by an array of illusions. But illusions are just that. All illusions eventually collapse when the the spotlight of honesty and wide-scope accounting is shinned on them.

While past performance is not a guarantee of future performance, it is a ten times more likely to be an accurate gauge for what a politician will do than a politician that merely proclaims what he or she will do.

Make it mandatory that every politician show their government ID when purchasing any good or service. After all, we are their employer and they our employees. The People are the master.

The ostracism matrix database. A database that gives an objective rating of each politicians past performance. How often did the congressperson vote in favor of a law that violates the constitution or bill of rights? How often did the politician violate his or her oath of office to the people and the constitution? Each politician has a value destruction rating.

Picture this. A politician or bureaucrat is at the check out counter and must show his government employee ID. The sales clerk checks it against the ostracism database and says, "Sir, you have a triple AAA value destruction rating. Get out of here now. We don't sell to parasites or value destroyers."

Just as consumers rely heavily on the track record of past performance when they buy a car or chose a contractor to build a house even more scrutiny of past performance should be applied to electing politicians. The best track records of past performance are that of the businessman. Either they deliver as their track record shows or they get out-competed.

Value Destroyers versus Value Producers 

If civilization had to chose between business/science and government/bureaucracy, eliminating the other, which is the better choice?

The first thing civilization must have is business/science. It's what the family needs so that its members can live creative, productive, happy lives. Business/science can survive, even thrive without government/bureaucracy.

Government/bureaucracy cannot survive without business/science. In general, business/science and family is the host and government/bureaucracy is a parasite.

Aside from that, keep valid government services that protect individual rights and property. Military defense, FBI, CIA, police and courts. With the rest of government striped away those few valid services would be several fold more efficient and effective than they are today. 

Underwriters Laboratory is a private sector business that has to compete in a capitalist market. Underwriters laboratory is a good example of success where government fails.

Any government agency that is a value to the people and society could better serve the people by being in the private sector where competition demands maximum performance.

Wake up! We are the host. They are the parasites. We don't need them. They need us.

Below is as far as Jhoffa_ would discuss the issue.

Make it mandatory that every politician show their government ID when purchasing any good or service. After all, we are their employer and they our employees. The People are the master.

I am sorry, I only got this far before bursting out laughing..

LOL! William Jefferson Clinton.. $775.00 for 'services rendered'

41 posted on 1/1/02 2:14 PM Pacific by Jhoffa_

Zon wrote: If the regular law abiding custmers knew the true colors of the parasitical elite many would refuse to shop at a store that sells to politicians and bureaucrats. Thus the store owner has a choice; charge the parasite way more than regular customers or kick them out of their store. Most store owners would rather kick them out of the store than take a politician's blood money.

Do you think the ostracism database and politician/bureaucrat ID would clean up government waste and abuse in a hurry? 

Jhoffa_ wrote: No, of course not.. It will only hinder us "litle folk"

Zon wrote: Please elaborate on that. ...How would it hinder "little folks" to ostracize dishonest politicians thereby helping tremendously to ensure that honest persons are elected to government offices.

Jhoffa_, I'm waiting for you to explain how it would hinder "little folks" to ostracize dishonest politicians thereby helping tremendously to ensure that honest persons are elected to government offices.

1,009 posted on 01/01/2002 4:38:23 PM PST by Zon
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To: Abundy
Mr Bundy..

I like you alot.. And I basically like the Libertarians..

But you cannot tell me that you will ride the Libertarian ideology out to the edge for the sake of consistancy.. Can you?

come on.. all the way out..

1,010 posted on 01/01/2002 4:39:23 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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(I like to call such a period the self- chlorination of the gene pool) --Ebinezer Abundy

Sheesh. FreeRepublic performs a great public service by allowing these moral-liberal social-Darwinists their little platform for the whole world to see how wretched their mindset really is. Decrease the "surplus population," eh, Ebinezer?

1,011 posted on 01/01/2002 4:40:15 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: donh

So me and bessie are off the hook?

1,012 posted on 01/01/2002 4:42:20 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Stop running your mouth and prove it..

Stop running your mouth off and respond to my previous argument.

What is it that you want me to prove? That you can make up anything you like about what libertarian theory says & then demand I refute it? I think that's pretty self-evident.

1,013 posted on 01/01/2002 4:44:09 PM PST by donh
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To: Jhoffa_
Wow, over one thousand postings and still going strong.

Perhaps the title of this should be "Addicted to Drug War Threads"?

1,014 posted on 01/01/2002 4:44:46 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Zon
I oppose "database" systems in general Mr. Zon..

Period.

I oppose them because of the potential for expansion and abuse.

There, you happy now?

1,015 posted on 01/01/2002 4:45:12 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Zon
If anyone here is interested in another thread, they can go there themselves to read it, and don't require your busy-body efforts. Please review the posting guidelines.
1,016 posted on 01/01/2002 4:45:31 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: donh

Why I can't do with MY property as I please in your utopia.. ( hey man, remember.. no force or fraud )

What Government Agency will stop me..?

You bitch about "FREEDOM" but I see none here..

1,017 posted on 01/01/2002 4:48:27 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Billy_bob_bob

LOL! Perhaps it should..

1,018 posted on 01/01/2002 4:49:56 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Cultural Jihad
"(I like to call such a period the self- chlorination of the gene pool)" --Ebinezer Abundy

Pol Pot, with a twist.

1,019 posted on 01/01/2002 4:50:38 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Cultural Jihad; JHoffa_;Kevin Curry;Roscoe;Donh;OWK;Demidog
Hey, Drug Warriors, how's this for a compromise? You come up with a way to run your WOsD that fits the COnstitution and Bill of Rights, that is NOT repugnant to the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th amendments and I will support you 1000%. Can you do it? It must also fit within the ENUMERATED powers of the Federal Government if you mean to run it from there. In other words, for FedGov to do it, you better get an amendment. To recap, your Constitutional drug war must NOT:

1. Allow ninja-clad thugs to break down doors in the middle of the night;
2. Allow ninja-clad thugs to use blank, fake or NO warrants in the course of their "work";
3. Allow ninja-clad thugs to seize property without a warrant or a trial or even filing charges.

Here, for your edification, is the Bill of Rights:

Bill of Rights (source: http://www.constitution.org/)

Index | Main Constitution | Additional Amendments | Documentary History

[Bill of Rights]

The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.

Article the first [Not Ratified]

After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.
Article the second [Amendment XXVII - Ratified 1992]

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Article the fourth [Amendment II]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Article the fifth [Amendment III]

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Article the sixth [Amendment IV]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Article the seventh [Amendment V]

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Article the eighth [Amendment VI]

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Article the ninth [Amendment VII]

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Article the tenth [Amendment VIII]

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Article the eleventh [Amendment IX]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Article the twelfth [Amendment X]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Index | Main Constitution | Additional Amendments | Documentary History

1,020 posted on 01/01/2002 4:51:41 PM PST by dcwusmc
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