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WHY DIVORCE IS SO PREVALENT: The #1 Answer To Society's #1 Problem
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Posted on 12/14/2001 3:21:12 PM PST by Dr. Octagon

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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Yeah Doc...you do....otherwise they're lost to the ether.
361 posted on 12/17/2001 10:10:53 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
Well, good for you. You had a problem and successfully resolved it. I doubt that many women here would deny that some women have a sense of entitlement; but let me assure you, that there are just as many women who have legitimate gripes about the way they have been treated by men. My guess is that a lot of them vote Democratic, though...
362 posted on 12/17/2001 10:12:13 AM PST by independentmind
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To: Woahhs
I may consider your Asian woman suggestion if the one I have now beats me to the grave though.

You do know what thread I was talking about, don't you?

363 posted on 12/17/2001 10:13:21 AM PST by independentmind
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To: Age of Reason
"Marriage is the invention of society. Society creates and enforces marriage."

People have gotten along in marriages without society. Many couples have gotten married by finding a justice of the peace "across the state line" for many years. Marriage is an institution that does several things. One thing that it does is protect women in marriages. It also protects the institution of the family.

People may be divorced for any reason these days, including just plain incompatibility. A marriage is nothing but a sham as far as laws are concerned, with the exception of the man paying thru the nose when a divorce occurs. People do not need permission of the state to marry. Many states have the "common law marriage" provision in their state laws. A marriage license is a technicality. Point out a state clerk who will say to a couple that they cannot get a license. The license is a revenue provision in the state laws and goes to pay the recording fees.

364 posted on 12/17/2001 10:16:19 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Woahhs
Your # 345 when asked for practicle examples of what they did wrong they are silent or come up with a backhanded as opposed to explicit accusation against the man.

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume (yes, I know the old saying) that you are speaking from the voice of experience and this is why you are unwilling to accept the reason for my posting this train of reasoning in the first place. Sorry that you feel that a woman who attempts (in YOUR eyes) to "explain" something, is only being underhanded or conniving. Sometimes this is simply not the case. You might want to take an in-depth study into the differences in the ways the sexes communicate. You just might learn something.

Your # 347 I resent your stating the obvious, because if those were the particulars that men complained about

You're probably correct about this. After having several male friends who have gone through divorces, I can tell you pretty quickly that (even to their female friends) they bitch and whine about either how much weight their wife has gained or how little sex they're getting without EVER stopping to think about the underlying reasons for either! Also, the guys never stop to realize that they have a few problems themselves (balding, pot-belly/love handles getting larger, lack of foreplay/romance, lack of attention outside household functions, etc., etc.).

Thing is - you started this entire diatribe because you didn't pay attention to the post that I was replying to in the first place which was faulting all women because they were the ones who mostly initiated actual divorce court proceeding without making ANY exceptions for circumstances. I have NO interent in (let's see...how did you put it?) "establishing plausible deniability for a hypothetical best case scenario for the woman" as you seem to think. When the women are wrong, I take up for the men and vice versa. When someone decides to make a blanket observation, I tend to want to clarify that this across-the-board condemation may not be the right conclusion.

365 posted on 12/17/2001 10:16:41 AM PST by KentuckyWoman
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To: independentmind
Please forgive my stridency. It's a bit of a knee jerk reaction as I am VERY familiar with female debaters declaring themselves the winner, then running away.
366 posted on 12/17/2001 10:16:49 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: independentmind
I *thought* I did?
367 posted on 12/17/2001 10:18:55 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: KentuckyWoman
I'm not questioning that they had real reasons...I question whether they are good ones.

As for When someone decides to make a blanket observation, I tend to want to clarify that this across-the-board condemation may not be the right conclusion. I subscribe to the "walks like a duck" school. Do you see no value in being sceptical as to motive when people say they have to clarify the obvious?

368 posted on 12/17/2001 10:32:00 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Yet, it is an issue, so I'd say simply proportional division, based upon the real needs of the child. If Parent A earns $80,000 a year and Parent B earns $20,000 a year, the payment of "child support" should be divided 80% to 20% and put into a checking account that doesn't allow cash or debit/credit card withdrawals. Both Parent A and Parent B should have full access to the account records, and photocopies of checks written on the account should be mailed to both parents each month automatically, with the subject lines of each check noting the nature of the expense that the check is written for.

I love the way you think! One of my biggest beefs is that the accounting of the money I send for "child support" is (according to the courts) none of my business. I don't know if it goes to the children (including groceries, housing, etc), or for a fur coat for my ex-wife.

369 posted on 12/17/2001 10:37:09 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: Woahhs
Do you see no value in being sceptical as to motive when people say they have to clarify the obvious?

Actually, what may be "obvious" to one may not be so "obvious" to another and just like blanket condemations - observations can sometimes come back to bite one in the buttocks.

370 posted on 12/17/2001 10:40:46 AM PST by KentuckyWoman
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To: KentuckyWoman
You might want to take an in-depth study into the differences in the ways the sexes communicate. You just might learn something.

Again, why would you suggest I learn how to communicate in a way that you find pleasing, rather than you learning how to communicate without provoking me?

371 posted on 12/17/2001 10:43:28 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: KentuckyWoman
Actually, what may be "obvious" to one may not be so "obvious" to another and just like blanket condemations - observations can sometimes come back to bite one in the buttocks.

Tell me, if someone is bothering to read FreeRepublic, do you really think a worry of them being THAT obtuse is credible?

372 posted on 12/17/2001 10:46:45 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
Again, why would you suggest I learn how to communicate in a way that you find pleasing, rather than you learning how to communicate without provoking me?

Maybe because I don't have any fear of your resorting to physical violence if you become "provoked". Frankly, I couldn't conceivably care less whether you are "provoked" or not. My only point of contention was and IS those who make blanket condemations and don't expect to be challenged because of it. Period.

373 posted on 12/17/2001 10:59:02 AM PST by KentuckyWoman
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To: wwjdn
Well thank you.
374 posted on 12/17/2001 10:59:14 AM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Woahhs
You missed the famous "Why White Men Prefer Asian Women" thread? LOL. Next time you have a day to kill, try reading this. There's enough American female bashing to content even the most diehard misogynist.
375 posted on 12/17/2001 11:32:36 AM PST by independentmind
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To: KentuckyWoman
Maybe because I don't have any fear of your resorting to physical violence if you become "provoked". Frankly, I couldn't conceivably care less whether you are "provoked" or not. My only point of contention was and IS those who make blanket condemations and don't expect to be challenged because of it. Period.

I don't have any real reason to care if I "understand" how you communicate either. It just seems so much to me that I'm suppose to make way for your "sacred cow" while you expect to be allowed to do an FDA inspection on mine. So you challenge away....and so will I.

376 posted on 12/17/2001 11:33:58 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: independentmind
I did catch a bit of it....not my style. But thanks anyway :)
377 posted on 12/17/2001 11:35:51 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Sueann
We all worship the same Jesus who worship Jesus.

Unfortunately it is easy to get caught up in the fine points of religious dogma and forget why we were there in the first place.

I agree, however, that it is important to have compatibility here, also.

Note, too, that the list works for either gender. Glad to be of help.

378 posted on 12/17/2001 11:50:38 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: Gracey
You are probably mostly correct, the other problem is because of a certain personality trait, I am unable to have close interpersonal relationships. Lucky me, I understand that much about myself, and will not subject another woman to my tyrany.

My analyst told me I just kept picking the wrong women (she was a woman) but I believe it goes beyond that.

379 posted on 12/17/2001 1:48:41 PM PST by alaskanfan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
It's the Love of money that's evil, therefore?
In any event, a man is only half complete until he's married (pause) and then he's really finished!!
380 posted on 12/17/2001 3:06:10 PM PST by poet
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