Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians

[BoomerBob]

There is actually some recently scholarship that suggests the word Palestine actuals derives from a Greek translation of Israel. The first recorded usage of Palestine (Palaistine) came from the Greeks and is very similiar in etymology to the word palaistes (which means "to wrestle" or "adversary") In the Greek Sepuagint this word "palaistes" is used to describe the struggle between Jacob and the angel. As we know, Jacob's named was changed to Yisra'el (Israel) which means literally "to struggle with God".

We also know that the Philistines settled regions along the coast of the Mediterranean sometime around the 13th century B.C. (don't want to use B.C.E. and be accused of being a liberal!) This would put the Philistines in the area of Palestine several hundred years AFTER Abraham and Lot settled the area of what is now the West Bank (including Jerusalem).

[Nachum]

That is why the Torah is copied so meticulously to prove that it is acurate.

[alphadog]

There is no archaeological proof that David ever exsisted. In fact Jewish archaeologists believe he was invented to prop a family tree for some later loser king.

[BoomerBob]

Our sins are what sent Jesus to his death.

[BoomerBob]

Actually there is extrabiblical evidence of the existence of David and quite a bit for Solomon, David's son. I'll show you my evidence if you show me yours.

[VaBthang4]

***THE DUMBEST MOST REALITY DENYING POST OF THE DAY***

You da Man.

[crystalk]

That is not strictly true. A Moabite boundary stone refers to the regime ruling in Jerusalem c 890 BC, as the "House of David," meaning the Descendants of David, and "David" was a somewhat common given-name in use in the whole E Med area after 2500 BC right up to today...

[Eternal_Bear]

Genetics prove that Jews and Palestinians are descended from common ancestors. There is very little difference between them. They should share the land in peace.

[alphadog]

archaeological evidence...I would have to dig it...yuk yuk.. I'll look for it...will get back... bed time

[VaBthang4]

"The Jews were oritinally from what is now known as Iraq."

That is wholy untrue. Abraham and his family alone were from Ur in Iraq. He travelled to the region of Israel as a result of it being within the fertile cresecent and along the main route travelled from North Africa to Mesopotamia.

"They immigrated and stomped the hell out of the people then living in what was eventually known as Palistine."

Again not true.

They returned to Israel after being captive in Egypt that is when they stomped the Phillistines amongst a whole host of other peoples.

Another note about another post....Jerusalem had indeed been a city state during the time of Abraham, as he offered sacrifice to Melchisedek(sp?) the King of Salem which encompassed modern day Jerusalem as well as the surrounding mountains.

-but-

King david did found the city of David and make it his capital...basically founding what is today Jerusalem.

[Alamo-Girl]

Er, I beg to differ:

David found at Dan Biblical Archeology Review March/April 1994.

The Biblical Minimalists: Expunging Israel's Past Bible Review June 1997.

Toward the end of the article is an exhaustive debunking of Whitelam's The Invention of Ancient Israel: The Silencing of Palestinian History. In the final paragraph he says:

"These issues should not be decided by politically driven scholarship. Whether or not debates over Israel's ancient history have any effect on Israeli-Palestinian relations, the biblical minimalists are guilty precisely of what they accuse mainstream biblical historians of doing: using scholarship as the handmaiden of politics."

[crystalk]

Couldn't have been Rameses II, this much later period is so well known and documented, further it is a golden age of Egypt, of strength rather than decline.

Secondly, among hundreds of little factoids, it was in the early 18th dynasty and only then, that the princes and nobles were given names ending in -moshe, meaning "born of"--thus Thutmose means, born of Thoth...

The later Israelite redactor, feigning ignorance unless he was actually ignorant, has Moses' Hebrew mother make a farfetched Hebrew folk etymology relating to "drawn forth, drawn out of" but that itself is very likely a Hebrew word whose basis is the Egyptian word for born, birth of a child...The Hebrew writer does not know, and/or does not want to tell US, what theophoric first name Moses really HAD, what Egyptian God he was supposedly "born of" IYSWIM.

In any event once Tut III was succeeded by the ineffectual Amenhotep II, this was Moses great chance: YHWH recalls him from the wilderness at age 80, tells him that the death warrant against him had expired with the king issuing it, and the fit hits the shan.

[VaBthang4]

"There is no archaeological proof that David ever exsisted."

Dude....that was way weak. Almost doesnt require a response but I have to bust you out.

The entire City of David inside of Jerusalem alone is Archeological proof that there was a King David.

By your simpleton standard there is no Acheological proof that Ghengis Kahn existed.
There is no Acheological proof that Kublai Khan existed.
There is no Acheological proof that Hitler existed.
There is no Acheological proof that Kennedy's brain existed.

[Optimist]

Who is John Galt?

[crystalk]

Bull and humbug. Betcha my ancestry, and maybe yours too, is closer DNA wise to the average Ashkenazi Jew, than the average Pallie is!

[BoomerBob]

I'd save your effort alphadog, Alamo girl has cited much of the evidence that I was referring to already (but if you would like to follow up on her refrences I might also cite: BAR, March/April 2000, pp. 38-51, an excellent article by those Jewish archaelogists that you mentioned). Sleep Well!