Posted on 11/30/2001 10:41:31 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
And NOW your an editor by day! Since your vast knowledge of the history of Islam comes from your experience as an editor by day, what exactly do you edit?
You stated:"The entire Muslim world condemned, in no uncertain terms, the attacks of 9/11.
I don't know about you, but I did not read a single condemnation of the attacks by any Muslim "leader" that I considered to be in "no uncertain terms." They were all rather weak and conditional. They all seemed to try to squeeze some blame onto America's policy towards Israel. They were "in no uncertain terms" equivocal.
As did the Prophet Hitler's cousin, JosephAli Goebells.
Cordially
Brian
A few years back, Iran offered to underwrite Pakistan's entire military budget for 10 years in exchange for Pakistani nuclear know-how. Pakistan turned them down. We still slapped Pakistan with sanctions. Now, of course, they're our ally.
And Sudan offered voluminous intelligence on Al-Quaida in 1993, including several principals in the embassy bombings and the WTC attacks. The US State Department is said to have turned it down, because the conventional wisdom was that Sudan was trying to ingratiate themselves with us by embellishing their information.
But because of our "death cultist" interpretation of those people we were prevented from listening to them and getting them th help us.
Perhaps you should cup your perceptive ear toward the Middle East, and listen to the shrill voices of those who could maybe benefit from your wisdom.
I employ you to listen to yourselves and to each other. Ask yourselves how Jesus would feel about the things you say and the way you say them. Ask yourself, if your statements, claims, half-truths, and out-right lies, intentional or otherwise, is the way that Jesus set out to spread the Gospel.
In all honesty, if I were not a Muslim and was seeking a religion, the comments and attitudes of Christians in this forum would not entice me to continue my investigation into the Christian faith.
Believe it or not, Muslims are told that Christians are the closest to us in faith.
A a very, very little known fact is that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had such confidence in the "righteousness" of the Christian King of what was then, Abyssinia, that he sent a group of Muslims there for protection when pagan Arabs had set out to destroy the Muslims.
The Christian King did in fact protect the Muslims. He told the Muslims that they were welcomed to stay in Abyssinia for as long as they wanted and, he told the pagan Arabs, with whom he had official diplomatic relations at the time, that the distance between Islam and Christianity was no greater than a line in the sand that was drawn with his staff.
Listen, wherever you go you'll hear the same thing...
muslims are NOT out there condemning the terrorist acts of other muslims
muslims are NOT out there trying to differentiate themselves from terrorist muslims
muslims are NOT out there trying to do anything to catch muslim terrorists
musims are NOT out there trying to prevent further terrorist attacks
Why not???
Actually, I'm not sure what the length of time one has been a member has to do with anything. Could someone fill me in?
Listen, wherever you go you'll hear the same thing... muslims are NOT out there condemning the terrorist acts of other muslims; muslims are NOT out there trying to differentiate themselves from terrorist muslims; muslims are NOT out there trying to do anything to catch muslim terrorists; musims are NOT out there trying to prevent further terrorist attacks. Why not???
Actually, this is not true. You probably wouldn't believe this but most people show great interest in Islam since 911, and want to engage me in meaningful and civil dialogue about Islam. Many ask me to provide books, videos, and other literature; and, of course I do. My wife is one who choses to wear the traditional Hijab when outside the home. This is met, in the vast majority of cases with smiles, waves, and attempts to communicate as time permits.
I can assure you that your assessment of how Muslims are, in general, being treated and responded to in America is most inaccurate.
You see, with the increasing numbers of Muslims in America, many Americans either personally know, have met and spoken with, or at least have seen a Muslim, and their experience with those Muslims stands in stark contrast to what Osama and the media would have us believe.
When people stop us at the mall or grocery store to make small talk, My wife and I say they are trying to reconcile what their personal experiences are showing them with what they are shown by the media.
Really, its amusing to us.
It is quite common for individuals to begin posting immediately following a newsworthy event. In the majority of cases, those idividuals begin posting in order to type extreme ideas regarding the said event(s).
You are one such individual.
I am very suprised that American muslims are NOT loudly condemning the terrorist attacks
I am very surprised that American muslims are NOT loudly differentiating themselves from terrorist muslims
I am very suprised that American muslims are NOT happy to do anything to help stop the terrorist.
I am very suprised, and disappointed, that American muslims become angry when confronted with these suprising truths.
Really? Hmmmmm, I don't think so - but thats just one man's opinion, as is yours.
You're a brand new poster, and you're supsect. Can't get away from it.
I think you are either very young or just solely misinformed. Prehaps, since America Muslims don't associate themselves with the actions of the fanatics that committed the actions of 911, we dont't feel the need to "behave as if we are guilty of committing the crime ourselves," simply because people like yourself have a need to blame someone.
For example, I am an American, I am a Muslim, and I have worn the military uniform in the service and defense of this great Nation for nearly 22 years now. I don't feel the need to "loudly differentiate" myself from any anyone, "Muslim terrorist" as you put it, or otherwise. I differentiate myself when I put on my uniform and go to work each day.
So, as for your comment "American muslims are NOT happy to do anything to help stop the terrorist," as an officer in my service, I can assure you that we are during plenty. Prehaps the reason many of us are not walking around with our heads hanging low, shouting disclaimers all over the place is because 1) we don't feel responsible for anything and 2)too many of us are busy trying to catch and kill the perpetrators who would do this crime in the name of our "way of life."
Now, do you walk around with a "I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE KKK" sign around you neck?; or, answer the telephone with the explanation that you are not a member of the Aryan Nations? Or, better yet, do you immediately tell people that it is not your children, sister or brother that blow up schools and shoot their class mates and teachers? Why not?
So, don't be surprised, be informed.
Maybe not amazing, but amazingly stupid.
If you just had 19 dogs attack your family, why would you not suspect dogs?
It is easily transparent that you attempt to compare the following:
asking if I introduce myself by saying I'm not a KKK member
versus
why male muslims should shout down muslim terrorists
19 male muslims just attacked us! Male muslims have vowed to kill us all!
It is obviously important to differentiate yourself from the terrorists! Unless you don't want to...but I believe you do- but you're so angry that you refuse to do so. You have to understand that male muslims just attacked us and vow to fight us to the death. If you're not one of them, shouldn't you at least differentiate yourself from them and at best help stop the terrorists?
Why is it not expected?
Nobody needs anyone to blame, as you continue to suggest.
It was asked, and I answered; why so many are suspect of muslims. You asked, I answered. Apparently you weren't prepared for the answers.
I am not young at all...and if you could see me you would be certain that I am not a member of the KKK.
You're not a victim. Get over it. If you can't understand why male muslims are suspect right now then you're under a rock.
You may think so and it is certainly your right to do so - we all have an equal right to be wrong. I will, however, wait until the final verdict has been decided.
Now, since your postings snack of more hatred and vindictiveness that logic, fact, and reason, I will not respond to any more of your postings on this topic. Prehaps we can engage again on another thread in the future.
Peace!
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