Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson
I do agree it is bellyaching at this point. Jim Rob has heard this complaint over and over. It's up to him to decide what to do, if anything. In the meantime, everyone is clear in knowing that anything can happen. I personally think the moderators are overzealous, but that is the way it is. Take it or leave it. I did complain once that a whole thread was pulled because I put a lot of researched links on it and one bad freeper caused the whole thing to go down. Low and behold, the thread was reinstated with only the offending post removed. Because of that I think that JimRob does have a forgiving, merciful soul and will do the right thing when presented with a reasonable opportunity to do it. B*tching and moaning and getting into a p*ssing match doesn't appeal to one's forgiving side.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Have you noticed how extra polite I am on those infrequent occasions when I discuss gay marriage? LOL.
2) Comment as to the authenticity of Clarity's emails to Z2."
1) Well, you can't send a FReepmail message unless you are logged into the account. The FReepmail database is organized and protected to the point that it would be mighty difficult for an outsider to get to it. I'd say it's as secure we can be reasonably expected make it.
2) Well, I have not compared them word for word, letter for letter to the originals, but from the looks of the ones I've seen, they appear to be authentic.
Thank you! I know you can't please everyone, but I favor a little more restraint before pulling threads.
Regarding the e-mails between Jim and Clarity, I think both of you are probably telling the truth. Clarity, I'm sure you notified Jim. Jim, I'm sure you get hundreds of e-mails every day, and you might have seen one from Clarity at 3:30 AM that didn't seem important at the time.
There are a lot of issues that I'd like to discuss. At the top of the list are financial disclosure and continued solvency. I can certainly understand, Jim, why you choose to handle these issues this way for now; and I hope you can understand why I respectfully disagree on some points.
Right now, I'm going to get a few hours of sleep. Taking subscription fees or other serious income-generating measures right now may not be necessary. But a formal one-page financial disclosure, like TKEman is requesting, wouldn't hurt. It doesn't need to disclose any details that you don't want to disclose ("miscellaneous operating expenses" can cover a multitude of minor sins), and I'll even chip in for the CPA.
You told Aligyrl that Clarity's emails to me "appear to be authentic."
Three posts later, you indicate that you would be shocked if Brian "released these communications."
Are you suggesting that somehow, someone else released these communications, using Clarity's FReepmail? If so, how would this person have access to Clarity's communications with you?
Finally, do you have any objection to me posting the remainder of the FReepmails I (and Ali) have received from Clarity, to enable you and anyone else to respond to them? Might I be allowed to open a separate thread on the subject?
Thanks again for responding.
Clarity seems to be offering the subject email as evidence that you knew that the Winston and Strawn bill could be as high as $100,000. You have said you had no idea the W&S fees would be so high.
After receiving this email from Clarity, did you direct him to do anything to limit the amount of the Winston & Strawn fees?
Thanks.
Excellent! That will go quite a way toward re-enthusing the conversations around here. Political sites thrive on debate, even the salty kind.
The complaints are starting to pick up the other way. We're now being accused of leaving up way too much crap.
Well, of course. But those are different people from those who complained of too much moderation, aren't they? There is always a Fluffy Pink Bunny Brigade who believe in cutting dissent to the bone. In my experience, these aren't nice people. They're simply control freaks who dislike being disagreed with and love to impose their world view on others.
Speaking of which, it wouldn't hurt at some point to repeat the old words discouraging religious threads on the grounds that they're off-topic on a political site. Lately, the place has exploded with prayer threads and reprinted sermons. And the "Harry Potter is Hellspawn" stuff (60 Potter articles at my last count) is just embarrassing.
I suppose. And so would all 70,000 others who "chipped in for the paint." And if Mr. A wanted a red barn and Ms. B wanted it blue, how do we reconcile THOSE differences? Do we paint the barn purple, thus enraging the anti-purples? Do we paint it white or beige -- some nice neutral that bores everyone to tears? Or do we contribute the money secure in the knowledge that the farmer is smart enough to paint the barn the color HE wants because it's HIS barn and he'll never please everyone anyway.
That seems to boil the option down to either contribute, knowing that that doesn't buy you a seat on the Board of Directors, or don't contribute and continue to use the service for free. At least until it reaches the point where either the farmer throws the deadbeats out of the barn, or the IRS forecloses on the farm and you have to hold your shindigs in the church basement.
Clarity seems to be offering the subject email as evidence that you knew that the Winston and Strawn bill could be as high as $100,000. You have said you had no idea the W&S fees would be so high.
After receiving this email from Clarity, did you direct him to do anything to limit the amount of the Winston & Strawn fees?
Thanks.
Listen to yourself! You no sooner tell Jim that he's stifling debate than you proceed to suggest what kinds of threads he might consider banning. Do you shave in two mirrors so you can see both faces at the same time?
This is the very essence of the struggle this site undergoes. Some self-righteous prig decides that a particular viewpoint doesn't have the right to be heard, so he demands that it be squelched. He doesn't argue the points or defeat the logic, he goes whining to the teacher because little Billy pinched him. But when Billy whines to the teacher, then he cries "censorship" and "bias," and refuses to do his homework.
If we can't tolerate controversy better than this, we'll never be a force to be reckoned with. Remember, the strength of a principle is not measured by the ease of its application, but by its breadth.
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