Who gave your rights away?

Worldnetdaily ^ | 11/27 | Harry Browne

[from occupied ga]

To be perfectly honest with you, no.

If they can do this sort of thing to one segment of the population, what's to prevent them from doing it to anyone?

IMO, if David Koresh hadn't been a pedophile

I don't believe that Koresh was a pedophile any more than I believe that the Branch Davidians had a meth lab or that they had illegal machine guns. This is simply the fedthugs throwing mud at their victims and hoping some of it sticks

skirt the law of the land

What law did Koresh (admittedly wierd) skirt? He was accused of all sorts of things, but what actually did he do except stand up to the federal jbts? By the way do you think that the Jews did the right thing by not "skirting the law" and not resisting when they were removed to death camps? And before you say that isn't at all analogous and that it can never happen here, think about Manzanas and Wounded Knee.

[from occupied ga]

Afterall if you have nothing to hide what are you worried about. When the feds come kick in your door and pin you to the ground just remember that its for your own good. Try to remember while they violate your rights and trash your house that if you have nothing to hide, the whole incident is for your own benefit.

I'll try to remember, but I might have a hard time since Hitlary can't remember anything about real estate, billing records, etc

Let me ask, hypothetically, what would the reaction be on Free Republic had Al Gore won the Presidency and enacted the aforementioned legislation

I don't know for sure but I suspect that all of the republican cheerleaders (like GOPmom etc) who are stating how wonderful it is would be singing a different tune. Fortunately I long ago recognized Shrub as only a slight improvement on Algore. Both had the same long term goal of growing government, it is just the little Bush is more polite about it and has a slightly longer schedule (well maybe not now that the sheeple have apparently given him carte blanch to expand fedthug powers and remove remaining citizen rights)

[mom of 2 GOP kids]

You all have valid points and I don't dispute that. (with the exception of NC Libertarian who's "thoughtful response" only reveals his impotence) However, I can't live my life thinking there is conspiracy around every corner. I don't have "blind" faith in the government, however it's all we have. I suspect most of you do also or you would not be living here. It's a big world and there are plenty of places to live. Yet we choose to stay here.

There is a necessity to stay vigilant and make sure our rights aren't violated. But we also have a right to protection from "the evil doers", and unfortunately I alone, nor you alone, can do that and sometimes, like it or not, you must rely on authority.

But I do thank you for this discussion. Most of you are much more informed than I on alot of these issues and I appreciate your responses. I look on this as an educational forum where I can receive information that I certainly won't get in the mainstream media.

Re: David Koresh, I don't even know how we got on that one, but true, we will probably never know the whole story.

[missileboy]

The ballot access laws didn't 'prevent' the Libertarians any more than it did the Reform party from getting in....it did, however, make it a hell of a lot harder. It made it harder for the Libertarians in the end, though, because they probably had less money to throw around.

Didn't you read what I said above in reference to Buchanan? He had about 1000X the media attention, he had commercials, he had it all in relation to the Libertarians...and Harry outperformed him in about half the states. Overall, Buchanan didn't get a significant number of more votes, although I forget the exact figures.

I focused on this at the time because the fact that they covered Buchanan means they should have covered the Libertarian numbers....a great example of media bias/conspiracy. None of the networks mentioned him. They just focused on the 'non-extreme' third parties, Buchanan, Hagelin, Nader, and an occasional Phillips. All levels of government considered, the Libertarians are bigger than any of these, and are bigger than the communists I mean Green party.

I admit the Libertarians, like the Reform party, have done some stupid things. Here in Arizona there was a conflict among the Libertarians and we could only vote for L. Neil Smith. However, this is no different than the Republicrats. The only difference is that they're big enough to have primaries and settle their civil wars before the main election.