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New Federal Patriot Act Turns Retailers into Spies against Customers
The Boston Globe ^ | 11/28/2001 | By Scott Bernard Nelson, The Boston Globe

Posted on 11/23/2001 2:58:00 PM PST by Smogger

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To: Native American Female Vet
What I am saying is that we the people own the government. The government works for us.

Well its a validly enacted law. Your caretakers have enacted it. Either your mindset is in the minority or your caretakers have ignored your views. In either case just because you don't like it doesn't make it unconstitutional.

301 posted on 11/24/2001 12:37:46 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: headsonpikes
VA ADVOGADO...working ceaselessly for a government of lawyers, not of men.

Ha, its hard enough to cut through your mind's fog and work for the simple truth here. As for the others you list, I'll be happy to consult given the proper renumeration.

302 posted on 11/24/2001 12:39:07 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: RightOnline
I got called a "sheep"...

More like a bighorn ram! Charge!

304 posted on 11/24/2001 12:49:11 PM PST by JimRed
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To: Smogger
I'll tell you what really hacks me off about these anti-terrorism laws. The government isn't willing to address any of the issues that might offend various constituencies...but the government is perfectly willing to impinge on my rights and erode the Constitution.

There is no military on our border. There is no freeze of immigration. There is no stoppage of visas from muslim countries. These things would offend the liberals and the "civil rights" coalition. The only thing that this @$@# government HAS done is pass a bunch of laws to restrict my rights. Once again, rather than actually going after the evil people in question, the govt chooses to punish its law abiding citizens (a la gun control)

306 posted on 11/24/2001 1:01:10 PM PST by quebecois
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To: Smogger
I don't think I want to do ANY business with any outfit that will turn in a customer for paying with cash. As long as cash is legal tender, this is just a govt. snooping operation.
307 posted on 11/24/2001 1:01:56 PM PST by bimbo
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To: JD86
You are off topic in your replys to me and have yet to respond to any of my comments and now you are getting down right personal in your replys.

You know nothing about me, what I have done or what I do. Your opinion of me has nothing to do with the topic or discussion.

Now if you want to stay on topic fine. If not we have nothing further to discuss.

308 posted on 11/24/2001 1:04:45 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Native American Female Vet
"Welcome to the real world." You should join me.

and this is your on topic response? You and I haven't been having a discussion anyway so feel free to stop responding.
Your first comment to me was to inform me this was a conservative thread and your comments have gone downhill from there.
My feelings will not be hurt if you decide to ignore me...:)

309 posted on 11/24/2001 1:13:25 PM PST by JD86
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To: Native American Female Vet
Yes it is.

Well its too late. The debate was had, the votes were cast in congress and the president signed it. Now, as a citizen your job is obey it until it is repealed through the same process or invalidated by the judiciary.

310 posted on 11/24/2001 1:21:44 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: freekitty
I wondered how they were going to get around "Know Your Customer"?

They waited until a 9-11-01 event ocurred. They would have waited a lot longer if necessary.

311 posted on 11/24/2001 1:26:25 PM PST by bimbo
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To: VA Advogado
"Well its a validly enacted law."

So what. That does not make it constitutional either.

"Your caretakers have enacted it. Either your mindset is in the minority or your caretakers have ignored your views."

They are not caretakers they are REPRESENTATIVES and my mindset has nothing to do with this subject. My point on this thread has been that the REPRESENTATIVES such as Congress and the President, failed to uphold their oath of office, IGNORED the constitution and passed and signed into law something they did not read.

" In either case just because you don't like it doesn't make it unconstitutional."

Just because Congress and the President like does not make it constitutional either.

312 posted on 11/24/2001 1:30:09 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Native American Female Vet
So what. That does not make it constitutional either.

Will you challege it in court?

313 posted on 11/24/2001 1:32:48 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Native American Female Vet
So what. That does not make it constitutional either.

Will you accept that it is constitutional if the Supreme Court says it is? Or do you have a different constitution than the rest of us?

314 posted on 11/24/2001 1:33:25 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: ihatemyalarmclock
Then tell us all about yourself.

Please do not twist the issue with silly arguement.

The law is not all about anyone. It is about cash transactions. As I have said in other posts, I have made several cash transactions of over $10k. The cash was legitimate. I had nothing to hide. I welcome the government to verify my cash transaction if doing so will take some real scum off of the streets.

You fear of this new law make me suspicious of you.

315 posted on 11/24/2001 1:41:45 PM PST by pcl
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To: JD86
Try walking into a business several states from where you live and try to give them a personal check for something costing thousands of dollars and try to leave with that item that day.

Several years ago the Pittsburgh Press ran a series of articles about people that had their money taken simply because they were caught in airports with large sums of money. I remember one guy who had a nursery or landscaping business that was headed for a southern state to buy stuff.

He lost over $7,000 that was siezed for no reason other than he had it on him at the airport.

If you know the cost of something, you can always get a cashiers check. If you're not sure how much you're going to end up spending it gets to be a problem if you're planning on bringing your purchase or purchases back with you.

If you go to a construction equipment auction and you don't have a bank letter of credit, you better have cash. Lots of equipment goes for way over $10,000.

316 posted on 11/24/2001 1:46:44 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: JD86
"Your first comment to me was to inform me this was a conservative thread and your comments have gone downhill from there."

You are a liar. That is not how it went and you know it, because I already had to remind you once that was not how it went.

"I asked you if you are a liberal or conservative. You then asked me what I thought you were. I told you what I thought and now you dont like the answer. You should not have asked if you didnt want an answer."

Your reply was

"Fair enough. I was stunned by your answer. So I won't ask you anything else...:)"

317 posted on 11/24/2001 1:55:18 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: meatloaf
You have made some good points. One I can speak to is the people stopped in airports and questioned about the cash they were carrying. That was not the only factor involved. Most of them were also buying their airline tickets with cash and buying only one way tickets....prime suspect for drug dealers and money launderers, also terrorists as we found out 9/11.

I know of one case where the drug dog alerted on a guy in the airport. When he was questioned, he didn't have drugs on him per se. But he had thousands of dollars that had enough cocaine on them that he was charged with possession.

In a lot of these "horror" stories, pertinent facts are left out. As for your machinery auction situation...what about traveler's checks? Safer than walking around with cash. Just a thought.

318 posted on 11/24/2001 1:58:45 PM PST by JD86
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To: Native American Female Vet
You are a liar.

Thank you for staying on topic. Please don't embarrass yourself anymore.

319 posted on 11/24/2001 2:04:50 PM PST by JD86
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To: JD86
Since you decided to lie on this forum about me how things went, I will point it out to you, off topic or not.
320 posted on 11/24/2001 2:13:34 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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