Posted on 11/19/2001 12:38:13 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen
Your particular argument, "if you can't prove to me it's wrong, it must not be wrong," is substantially vacant. It becomes clearer as these porn threads continue that the defenders of porn cannot be dissuaded. After all, porn is addicting and who can break an addiction with words?
That is not my particular argument. It is not even close. My particular argument, if you must paraphrase, is "if you want to ban it, show the harm (and incidentally show that the harm is not outweighed by the harms inherent in bannig)". I fully accept that something may be harmful in the absence of evidence. You have tried to rephrase my argument on your own terms so that you can defeat it more readily. That is a reprehensible debating tactic. And by the way, the use of the word "vacant" does not make sense in the context above. It is poor English. I presume you were attempting to say that my argument lacked substance.
Very well, slhill, I will give you some objective evidence for the banning of pornography, although you will not accept even one reason because your addiction impedes your ability to reason.
I am not only able to reason well enough to earn a degree from a very good university and a salary from a good employer for a demanding and difficult job, I am able to write grammatically and syntactically correct English that conforms to common stylistic principles. One of those rules is to avoid repetition of the same word in the same sentence, as you have done above. 1) Man has a higher nature and a lower brutish nature. This is basic. If you want to know more about this, consult your nearest library. The brutish nature of man must be controlled if civilization is to exist. The higher nature pursues good; love beauty, wisdom, art, God, etc. The lower nature is fueled by lust, hate, greed, envy and the like. To which nature does porn appeal? The lower nature. There is a word for ministering to the lower nature: Pandering. The very nature and purpose of porn is to generate money by appealing to lust, a base desire.
You state this as a given. Where is your evidence that man has a dual nature? You say "consult the nearest library"; what sections of the library provide details of man's "dual nature"? How do we know that you have characterised this nature adequately? Judaism states that humans have a dual nature, but considers that both aspects of humanity are holy. In this, it differs from Christianity. It is, in any event, a religious belief and not a matter of fact which should be made to bind non-believers by the rule of law. Incidentally, your final statement appears to suggest that you think that porn made by husband and wife is acceptable. Is that the case?
2) The Attorney General's Commission on Pornography found links between pornography and violence against women, child molestion, failed marriages and organized crime. You may not like the conclusions of the Commission. I can understand that. It is, nonetheless, objective evidence.
Very good. A piece of evidence. I have not read or reviewed it, but I am sure that you have adequately characterised its contents. One critical point of evidence has not appeared in what you have written: was a causal link established? In other words, did the use of pornography directly result in the various dreadful deeds you list? The difference between causation and correlation is fundamental to scientific enquiry. If the Commission has established causation to the satisfaction of the relevant peer community (that's social and possibly other scientists) I would be astonished, impressed and convinced.
In the case of item 2, you may dispute that men who would molest kids or beat women didn't become that way because of porn. The evidence says otherwise, but even if I grant you that it still says that woman-beaters and child molesters are porn users.
That last statement demonstrates that you appear to be unaware of why causation is important (and Set Theory as well). Woman-beaters and child molesters may generally use porn, but they also generally eat, drink and go to the john. Equally,
It sounds like a perfectly respectable business!;>)
Must be an election year...
You get a good pic of a girl and the link won't work. Oh well, Catharine Zeta-Jones isn't supposed to be used on FR unless you're responding to a Maureen Dowd screed. Just to remind the world that there is a God and he is Just.
Meanwhile, yet another "within the guidelines" pic of Midori to break the boredom....
Which should make any man wonder why those Al-Quaeda goons are so damned mysoginistic? Mohammed Atta didn't even want a woman near his grave. The rest of these clowns treat women as chattel, to be hidden away.
Not only are jihadists a bunch of murderous thugs, they're probably a posse of closet queens as well.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
Would you also make it illegal for one to bring porn into the county? Meaning residents couldnt buy it in another county and bring it home.
I am all for states rights and counties being able to set their own rules. I live in NC. We have many many dry counties. And no, I do not live in one and i never would. Well, maybe just over the line so It would be a quick jump to buy some hooch.
My main disagreement currently is that they want to fine them out of existence. How about passing a law making the operation of porn shops illegal in the county and then properly compensating the business owners for the shutting down of their business.
And just because a business remains open doesn't mean that a majority of the town's citizen's want it to remain open. A relatively small segment of the population can keep that joint open.
If you don't like my take on this, take it up with the founding fathers. :) Do you really believe they intended for porn joints to be protected SPEECH?
You have a good day, as well... :0)
The community has the right and power to empty these scum bucket places and send the porn purveyors packing.
As much as that might anger the pro-dope, pro-porn, pro-sodomy libertarians, that's just the way it is.
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