Posted on 11/06/2001 11:28:40 AM PST by Jack Barbara
But that presupposes that those claims CAN be verified from independent sources.
Which they can't.
And what he has said in the past is VERY relevant in determining his present veracity.
For example, he said he was the CINCPACFLT Special Category (SPECAT) communications operator. That post requires specialized training in areas of handling classified material, operating cryptographic equipment (and in those prehistoric days of manually keyed and synchronized cryptographic systems, that was an exceedingly difficult task that only radiomen knew how to perform), and operating specialized data communications equipment (again, stuff that only radiomen ever got taught).
There was only one problem: he was not a radioman, he was a quartermaster--someone who helps navigate ships.
He reproduces his own service record in Behold a Pale Horse. The record indicates that he never held any security clearance, let alone the massively high ones required for duty as a SPECAT operator.
If he can't be trusted to tell the truth on what I can check, how can I trust him when he talks about these SEE-KRIT conspiracies that he seems to know so much about?
Yes I have, and I have already admitted that I could be wrong on this thread. But what you told me is not news to me. I know that he changed his mind about the alien conspiracy. I have no doubt that he was a good man to have in your corner.
Back when Bo Gritz was running for president in 1996, I got to spend and afternoon with him. He was a very terrific, warm, and charitable man. He too in his publications has some things that he claims that appear to defy credibility. But I like to read and I can say the difference between Bo and Bill is that Bo's stories appear to have more of a foundation in verifiable facts. I have no doubt that Cooper was a fine soldier and loved his country.
Thanks for the bump. Yep, its him. Final confirmation at his website, where, interestingly enough, whoever is now running his website is saying that his death was NOT a conspiracy... more level headedness at Coopers home than from various tin foil hatters...
Unlike you, I really would like to have the credibility question explored and answered. When I buy elixirs from a traveling medicine man, I am very skeptical of his motive and his product. Those are questions that I must have answers to, or I don't buy. Now, if you think the questions don't need answers, then I can't help you.
Care to answer a question for me? Here it is: Why does Cooper give us two totally different "swear to God and country it is true" recollections of classified documents that he calls "MJ-12" or "MAJESTYTWELVE" that he claims to have seen while in the Navy in or around 1970 to 1973?
In his 1997 affidavit he claims that the documents speak about; "MAJESTYTWELVE revealed that drugs are brought into the United States by the Central Intelligence Agency, the military intelligence organizations, the Mossad, the KGB, and their partners in organized crime." "...MAJESTYTWELVE stated that the first terrorist attack in the United States would occur in a large city such as New York or Los Angeles." ..." "...The plan outlined the formation of a world totalitarian socialist government. It is to be ruled by a behind-the-scenes council of wise men. A so-called benevolent dictator, will be presented as the Messiah." ..."...According to MAJESTYTWELVE the Knights Templar have become the driving influence at the highest levels of all the secret societies among the adepts known as the Illuminati."
But in an affidavit dated 1/10/89, Cooper claims, "The following is brief listing of everything that I personally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain any input from any other source whatsoever". He further states, "There will be no further additions or corrections to this information either now or in the future. My file is complete and stands to be judged by history." In this affidavit there is nothing about a sinister plot by the Illuminati, no plans of terrorist attacks, no plans for gun confiscation, no evidence in this recollection, or a previous one, that the Aliens were a ruse!
So again, the question:
Why does Cooper give us two totally different "swear to God and country it is true" recollections of classified documents that he calls "MJ-12" or "MAJESTYTWELVE" that he claims to have seen while in the Navy in or around 1970 to 1973?
My skepticism has lead me to the assumption that Cooper is certifiable. For that reason, I'm not buying!!
Sure the man is a patriot. Sure the man loved serving his country. Sure he loved his family. But his information about circumstances in America needs to be verifiable and credible. Since I don't know enough to challenge the verifiable, I thought I would examine the credibility.
I would love to believe something that he said. I would love to know that some of his writings that he swears are true, really are true. I would love to have his credibility proven. I would love to be wrong about my conclusion that the man is certifiable.
You are not helping me at all! Just why do you defend this guy? Can you point me to any resolution on the question of credibility?
"The events at Fatima in the early part of the century were scrutinized. On suspicion that it was alien manipulation, an intelligence operation was put into motion to penetrate the secrecy surrounding the event. The United States utilized its Vatican moles that had been recruited and nutured during WWII and soon obtained the entire Vatican study which included the prophecy. This prophecy stated that if man did not turn from evil and place himself at the feet of Christ the planet would self-destruct and the events described in the book of Revelations would indeed come to pass. It stated that a child would be born who would unite the world with a plan for world peace and a false religion beginning in 1992. By 1995 the people would discern that he was evil and was indeed the Anti-Christ. World War III would begin in the Middle East in 1995 with an invasion of Israel by a United Arab nation using coventional weapons which would culminate in a nuclear holocaust in the year 1999. Between 1999 and 2003 most of the life on this planet would suffer horribly and die as a result. The return of Christ would occure in the year 2011.
"When the aliens were confronted with this finding they confirmed that it was true. The aliens explained that they had created us through hybridization and had manipulated the human race through religion, satanism, witchcraft, magic, and the occult. They further explained that they were capable of time travel andthe events would indeed come to pass. Later exploitation of alien technology by the United States and the Soviet Union utilizing time travel confirmed the prophecy. The aliens showed a hologram which they claimed was the actual crucifixion of Christ, which the government filmed. We did not know whether to believe them or not. Were they using GENUINE religions to manipulate us? Or, were they indeedthe source of our religions with which they had been manipulating us all along? Or, was this the beginning of the genuine END TIMES and the RETURN OF CHRIST which had been predicted in the Bible? No one knew the answer. " - Cooper affidavit, THE SECRET GOVERNMENT, May 23, 1989.
Now that is worth defending! Don't ask any hard questions, just know they are out to clean things up and expose the rats for the vermin they are!
Sorry, I like to do a bit of homework. I am fascinated with Cooper types because they are trying to figure things out. I share the same curiousity for routing out truth that they possess.
My skepiticism has nothing to do with a statist protection of any kind, to the contrary I like to prepare myself and educate others. It appears that you presume otherwise of me, sorry for the confusion. You are right, I need give it a rest, you have no answers and I can do without the bogey man scrutiny. It is a tragedy that a man that so loved his country would find himself destroyed by people paid to defend his liberty.
I apologize for appearing to you to be something that I am not!
In case anyone else come across this, as I have, I would like to add a few things.
When examining The William Coopers, Myron Fagans, Alex Jones and Michael Moores of the world, many people tend to get sidetracked on thier differences, instead of the common ground they share.
No one has the complete answer. However if you look at the common similiarities, everything fits together quite like a puzzel.
In the late 60s Myron Fagans expose, which can easily be found on the internet, layed out how the Illuminati planned the overthrowing of all governments. It can be traced to Adam Weishaupt, finaced by House of Rothschild, when Weishaupt a Jesuit Priest was recruited to revise The Old Protocols of Zion in the 1776.
This can be verified in history when the Illuminatis plans to overthrow the Bavarian goverment were discovered when a courier with the secret plans was actually struck by lightning and killed en route.The Bavarian goverment eventually got wind of these documents and after verifying the truth of the documnets, outlawed and kicked out of the country The Illuminati.
One of Weishaupts and his Illuminatis strongest defenders, when they were exiled, was a man named Thomas Jefferson.
So then you jump ahead to the mid 40s and you see the creation of The Federal Reserve, The CFR,UN, CIA. Who heads and runs these groups??
Do your research. It will only have one result.
The same result people like William Cooper astonishingly found.
The CFR and our CIA are run by:
Knights Of Malta, Masons,Skull and Bones member, etc etc
Is it a coincidence that every president in History is a direct descendent of European Royal Blood?
Is it a coincidence we have 2 Bonesman right now suppossedly "fighting" over the presidency?
Men like Cooper likely were being bombarded with as much dis-information as he was legitimate information and im sure any person would have a difficult time discerning between the two 100% of the time.
Illuminati guides the world down a path of destruction and most people dont even know they exist..'You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them. 'But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. Truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. Matthew 13:14-17
RIP Bill Cooper
Perhaps for being the bacon and cheese Bilderberg'er eating nutbar that you have surmised them to be.
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