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The Threat of Terrorism Is From Illegal Aliens
EAGLE FORUM ^ | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 11/05/2001 10:55:50 AM PST by dennisw

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1 posted on 11/05/2001 10:55:51 AM PST by dennisw
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2 posted on 11/05/2001 10:57:55 AM PST by dennisw
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The Threat of Terrorism Is From Illegal Aliens

I don't know if I would agree, I think some of the terrorists were here legally, but let's assume that Schlafly's assertion here is true. Now, let's go to a subsequent claim:

ID Card: Password to the Police State

Well, I'm really curious how we are gonna fully combat illegal aliens without a national ID card. How is a cop going to know if someone is an illegal without it?

3 posted on 11/05/2001 11:00:53 AM PST by dirtboy
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I thought you tended to be libertarian thus against a national ID card. I am undecided on it.
5 posted on 11/05/2001 11:08:39 AM PST by dennisw
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I thought you tended to be libertarian thus against a national ID card.

I have a few libertarian tendencies, but that is beside the point I was raising. I see lots of folks demanding a crackdown on illegal immigration - but since we've left the sluicegates on our borders full open for so long, exactly how are you gonna tell the illegals from the legals any more without some kind of ID card? Heck, I just saw an article in the Rocky Mountain News about a clerk who was caught selling Drivers Licenses to illegals. The current ID system is a joke, and a booming business exists trafficking fakes. A computerized national ID card is the only way I see to correct the problem, so our decision, IMO, comes down to coping with the illegals in our midst or issuing an ID card to help get rid of them. It's an ugly dilemna.

7 posted on 11/05/2001 11:14:23 AM PST by dirtboy
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It would probably be a good idea to watch the Mexicans. We just see the foot soldiers coming here to COLONIZE and not to ASSIMILATE as did previous generations of immigrants. Behind the scenes I guarantee you that there are very powerful corporations and individuals that want control of the political, economic and educational aspects of a very large part of this country. In places like Califronia, S. Texas and other areas this has become a reality. They are practicing reconquista right before our eyes and our alleged political leaders are doing NOTHING to stop them! Monitor www.americanpatrol.org for a couple weeks and I'm sure you'll change your tune.
8 posted on 11/05/2001 11:26:07 AM PST by american spirit
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To: dennisw
Bump!!!!! For you and for the First Lady of American Conservatism.
9 posted on 11/05/2001 11:30:15 AM PST by Scholastic
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Immigration policy, just like China policy, is not made by the American electorate. It is made in corporate boardrooms, and at the Wall Street Journal editorial office. The latter wants cheap labor---the law and popular will be damned.

I don't know if 9/11 is going to change that fact either. Last April, China forced down one of our planes in international airspace, kept the crew hostage for ten days, forced us to chop up and crate out the plane, and then gave us a "bill" for their expenses. Our response? Grease the skids for their entrance into the WTO. It's the same with immigration: illegal "guest workers" will continue to flow over our southern border, take jobs and government benefits, commit crimes, breed, vote, and eventually govern discrete regions of the US. Young men with ghastly staring eyes from Saudi Arabia and other "moderate" Arab states will continue to get visas of some kind or other---maybe not "student visas" any more---to come to the US and "study" our infrastructure and technology---or maybe they'll just sneak over the Mexican or Canadian border.

You'll see---all this talk about immigration restrictions and reform will come to virtually nothing. With our political and business elites, the "bottom line" is more important than our bottoms any day of the week.

10 posted on 11/05/2001 11:31:41 AM PST by Map Kernow
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How is a cop going to know if someone is an illegal without it?

This is all that you can say about illegal immigration? That it's OK and can't be fought unless a national ID is used?

Can a cop ask for an id from a suspected criminal?

Is illegal immigration a crime?

First institute a system that would make hiring illegals impossible or very costly. Then offer them free transportation to the border.

12 posted on 11/05/2001 11:38:40 AM PST by madrussian
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exactly how are you gonna tell the illegals from the legals any more without some kind of ID card?

Most of the illegals can barely speak English. Most of them are also brown and work at car washes and construction sites. They also blow leaves and dig ditches.

Illegals are here only because they can find a job and no one bothers them. As soon as their life becomes more difficult, they'll ask for a free ticket back to their home countries. The troublemakers need to be arrested and deported.

13 posted on 11/05/2001 11:42:35 AM PST by madrussian
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Most of the illegals can barely speak English. Most of them are also brown and work at car washes and construction sites. They also blow leaves and dig ditches.

Plenty of legals do that kind of work as well. You gonna profile Mexicans? Might get my wife sucked in - she's fourth generation American, but ethnically hispanic. Speaks English just fine, but how do you tell she's American?

Illegals are here only because they can find a job and no one bothers them. As soon as their life becomes more difficult, they'll ask for a free ticket back to their home countries. The troublemakers need to be arrested and deported.

You really think they are gonna be in any hurry to go back to their hellholes at home? Hard times in the United States is still a lot better than good times in the mother country...

14 posted on 11/05/2001 11:46:39 AM PST by dirtboy
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"Why have they been spending their resources chasing after a few people who were no harm to society, such as one loner on a mountaintop at Ruby Ridge and a pathetic religious group in Waco, while the plotting foreign terrorists crossed our borders and lived in our country illegally, took their flight training in Florida, and repeatedly boarded our planes? "

Schlafley asks the right question! I've often grumbled that if the feds had spied on the real enemies of this country instead of (mostly) conservatives, maybe they'd have averted 9/11.

15 posted on 11/05/2001 11:57:40 AM PST by MizSterious
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It is important that we BEGIN to take action.
Action addressing all illegal immigration - and that includes legal entry that overruns it's limits in time or actions.

An ID card for aliens would not infringe on native born or naturalized persons' rights.
An alien ID card would have to be interactive and require check-in at frequent intervals - we've probably got that technology already.

Such a card would not solve the problem - but it would provide a basis for other actions such as,
An EO requiring that everyone here on a visa etc. obtain a card within 14 days - failure equals depotation when & if cought.
Authorizing local authority to arrest and detain illegals who do not comply - fed's could pay a carrying cost to the locals.
Advise our "friends" overseas (or the river) that all costs of the program will be prorated out of any foreign aid they might have expected - AND that repeated offenses will have a negative on aid they might want in the future.
Mandatory sentencing of illegals when cought at any crime - starting with seizure of assets and deportation of the offender and immediate family. (Capital crimes to be dealt with with respect for a "speedy trial" without recourse to appeal.)
Foreign officials found to be aiding or encouraging illegal immigration to be tried in abstencia, declared to be terrorists themselves, and their home governments fined as indicated above.

None of these suggestions involves "profiling" as such - they do recognize that the US has an obligation to (a) its CITIZENS and to those who come here for (b) legally, for (c) valid reasons, but not necessarily to the world's flotsam and jetsam.

16 posted on 11/05/2001 11:58:41 AM PST by norton
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An ID card for aliens would not infringe on native born or naturalized persons' rights. An alien ID card would have to be interactive and require check-in at frequent intervals - we've probably got that technology already.

Here's the problem with that approach - what if someone just refuses to use the card after they enter the country? Think about it. How are you going to tell the card-carrying aliens from citizens at a given checkpoint?

17 posted on 11/05/2001 12:05:23 PM PST by dirtboy
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The issue is broader as well, including what classes of immigrants would be excluded by virtue of countries of origin. I think it's time to have a moratorium on immigration from all Islamic countries - with exception of Christians, Hindus, etc. fleeing persecution from Jihadist elements - such as Copts in Egypt or Christians in Lebanon, or Hindus or Christians in Pakistan.
18 posted on 11/05/2001 12:09:27 PM PST by Lent
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To: dennisw
After the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, the Left moved quickly to use it as an excuse to enact draconian federal gun control.

After 9/11 the country moved quickly to take away our right to not have our homes invaded. Why isn't the author troubled by this?

19 posted on 11/05/2001 12:09:47 PM PST by sakic
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To: dennisw
.."your PAPERS"..
20 posted on 11/05/2001 12:12:01 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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