Grover Norquist's Strange Alliance With Radical Islam

The New Republic ^ | November 11, 2001 | Franklin Foer

[muleboy]

And me too.

Who'd of ever figured that I would be a proponent of "diversity"

Too funny.

[Kermit]

"And so it is no surprise that he has turned his attention to America's fast-growing Muslim population, which by some accounts now stands at seven million strong. (Although two other recent reports suggest it is less than three million."

Actually, the best estimate puts the number at under 2 million.

[veronica]

Yeah, and you have almost as much credibility as they do. (-:

[habs4ever]

Grover normally has a great political attenna, and he's shrewd, so he has the capacity to pull himself out of this myopia.Unlike others.Maybe he's spent too much time being a mercenary political operative that he's lost his sense of proportion, and he can't cut off the cash flow to save himself.That's a route many establishment Pubbies have taken over the years,shilling for whoever pays the tune.

[muleboy]

Thank you for the compliment.

[testforecho]

More on the Secret Evidence Repeal Act:: and The events of 9-11

Thanks for the link!

[veronica]

Grover's problem is that he can shill for Muslims all he wants, but the events of 9-11 have ripped the facade off many Muslim "charities" and Muslim advocacy groups, and what's behinde the curtain is not very pretty. He's left holding the bag and many in the GOP do not want to be part of that.

[veronica]

No problem. Of course Reese has left the Orlando Sentinel, (fired?) and is in the wilderness with Sobran and Buchanan. It's cold out there, bring mittens.

[muleboy]

'tis almost always winter when you are right.

The summer's sun shines on the lazy, the weak, and the conformist.

[veronica]

Charley Reese::

"So, Sentinel readers, adieu. Thanks for all your kind thoughts and letters. To those of you who sent unkind thoughts, go to hell."

He sounds awfully grouchy, like Norquist.

[det dweller too]

...and America will benefit enormously from the coming, and long overdue, new balance.

I am offended with people here playing politics with this. I don't care about ancient tribal rivalrys between Jews and Arabs, I care about a group that calls itself a religion but operates as an organized crime group. I have heard there are several places in the Koran that advocates violence in the name of allah. I have also heard that if you try to leave islam, they will kill you. This sounds more like a soprano's plot than a true religion. And if Rabbis were getting up in temples advocating violence to innocents I would be all for escorting them out of the country also.

What I am looking for, first before we let these political types start playing, is a clear, strong condemnation of the 9/11 acts by muslims here and abroad. I am not hearing that; only weak, qualified, disapprovals when the cameras are on and giggling high fives when they are off.

If they are going to be that way, OK, but I will do whatever I can to not have them in my party, not have them in my country, and not have them on my planet.

[testforecho]

Sounds like Grover realizes that America's self-interest would be furthered more by developing closer relations with Muslims, here and abroad, than by continuing to placate, appease, American Jews, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and the state of Israel, whose policies are a perpetual pain in the backside.

I'm not going to defend any or all Israeli policies. Is there an effective Israel lobby in Congress? You bet. Do I think this is a good thing? Nope. I am concerned about any foreign government using either co-religionists or its citizens here to influence U.S. foreign policy.

Here are some links about this issue:

(Cached google) Moslim in de Polder (Muslim in the Netherlands) book review, from Columbia International Affairs Online

Foreign Attachments: The Power of Ethnic Groups in the Making of American Foreign Policy, book review in Fletcher Ledger (also see this google search)

Western Europe and its Islam: The Netherlands, Belgium and Great Britain React to an Emerging Religious Community , book summary

foreign policy analyst Bruce Bechtol, Jr. introduces us to the growing influence Korean American community organizations are coming to have upon U.S. domestic and foreign policy towards the Korean peninsula. (Unfortunately the full article is not available)

American Muslims and U.S. Foreign Policy: What are their major objectives, and how are they being implemented? (This is interesting to see what they said prior to 9-11 and in particular Abdurahman Alamoudi, also a photo of some of these guys.)

Immigration's Impact on U.S. National Security and Foreign Policy, this is a PDF file, 48 pages, from the Commission on Immigration Reform back in 1997.

"This paper examines the relationship be-tween U.S. immigration, foreign policy, and national security. It assumes that the primary interest of the United States is its national security and that the ultimate goal of U.S. foreign policy is to promote U.S. national security. The paper outlines the ways in which immigration has been af-fected by the national security interests and foreign policies of the United States as well as the way in which immigration has affected national security concerns and resulting foreign policy."

It sounds more like The New Republic's casting Grover's activities in their most negative light. As there MAY be as many Muslims in the U.S. as there are Jews, and as our economy depends on oil from Muslim countries, and as we are now faced with the necessary task of eradicating the threat of Muslim extremists, we also have the incredible opportunity to reshape the cultures of the Arab states in our favor.

I think part of this is certainly due to a 'gotcha' mentality among reporters. But this is really bad. This is like the Democratic party cozying up to Rabbi Kahane, except Kahane never did anything of this magnitude. Isn't it significant at all that these muslims refuse to condem Hamas, Hezbollah, etc? Sen. Kennedy is a known terrorist coddler - he has consistently tried to aid the IRA. And that is also horrible. But the IRA didn't fly those planes into the Trade Center and Pentagon. Islamists did, and to say the least there is a credibility problem here. And there is a problem in associating with them and legitimating them by treating them as important spokesman.

Grover and the Pro-Muslim forces in this country are now suffering an embarassment, as did the Pro-Israel lobby did in 1967. It will pass, and America will benefit enormously from the coming, and long overdue, new balance.

We may benefit from a new balance. We may even be able to maintain friendly relations with the muslim world. But I'm not banking on it. If the Saudi government is so fragile that bombing Afganistan causes it to fall aren't we better off lancing that boil now then 10 years down the road?

P.S. I don't think the Liberty incident is comparable. That was a naval ship (albeit lightly armed) in a war zone - not a skyscraper.

[toenail]

bump for later

[OKCSubmariner]

Looks like that Bush is following (being wrongly led and misinformed or consciously knowing what he is doing?) the same path GOre and Clinton took raising political money from American Muslim and Islamic front terror counsels and leaders in the US.

From reading this article,now I know why Bush has ordered the FBI and Powell to go soft on Hamas in the US . In fact the FBI ordered OKC TV station KWTV9 not to report on a well established Hamas cell in OKC (over ten years, identified in video "Jihad in America" by Steve Emerson) which helped the WTC pilots and assisted in the OKC bombing. The station was told not to report on Hamas because doing so would be viewed as (religious) discrimination. THis is wrong headed to think Hamas should be protected by the Bush administration because they are aligned with Muslim figures who donate to Bush and the Republicans and say they are peaceful, religious figures when they really are violent and radical.

Asad Siddiqy , a cab driver from the Bronx, was arrested in OKC the day of the OKC bombing after being seen by witness Debbie Burdick with McVeigh moments before the Murrah building was blown up.Siddiqy was a prime suspect in the first WTC bombing but he was released on orders of Reno and Freeh within a day after the OKC bombing. There are FBI 302 reports on this. Asad Siddiqy may well be related to the Muslim cleric Siddiqy named in the above article since they both have the same name, live close to NY City and are both Muslim (Pakistani)extremists likely sympathetic to the pro-Taliban element in Pakistan as well as Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein (paid 7 Pakistanis to assist in the OKC bombing as reported by VIncent Cannistrao, former ME operations chief for the CIA).

Bush is either duped and misled or he is stupid or he is selling out the safety of the American people to radical Muslim figures. These figures do not represent a "peaceful" Muslim religion. The Anti-christ "will destroy wonderfully" by peace." Many radical Muslims represent the spirit of Anti-Christ since they like Bin Laden are out to kill ALL Christians as part of their religious views and doctrines.

[FreedomPoster]

I don't think the "balance" you are hoping for, with greater Muslim influence in the American political scene, will occur, as Americans wake up to the fact that radical Islam is mainstream Islam in most of the world, if not here as well.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see reply #34.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please see reply #34.

[aristeides]

I wonder, if we put enough pressure on Syria to make her join the coalition against al Qaeda, will Hamas go along with such a change of policy?

[AtticusX]

Thanks for the flag OKCSub. I appreciate it.

Atticus

[Pelham]

Dream on, camelboy.