After attacks, many Southerners fly different flag

The Charleston Post & Courier ^ | October 29, 2001 | ELLEN B. MEACHAM

[JMJ333]

on my car= on your car

[Rebelbase]

As a Southerner I am disgusted at the Klan and other "hate groups" appropriation of the Stars and Bars as "their" symbol.

The Stars and Bars is a part of a hertiage that my ancestors gave their lives to defend. All the Klansmen from hell cannot change the valor and loyalty to country that was given in defense of a nation.

[Dr. Pepper]

Oh please. You show your ignorance. Slavery is wrong. We got it. Compassion? Too bad the 500,000 slaves that came here didn't get to go to the middle east instead.

We both agree that slavery was wrong but do you believe that the South's resistance to the Civil Rights Movement was wrong?

By they way, when you can only compare your culture to Middle Eastern Culture you are not doing a very good job defending your heritage.

[shuckmaster]

Aw, Shucks!

[Soul Citizen]

The reality is we as a nation were on the brink of war, between two ideological halves in this country, during the campaign coup.

Yes, the country was 100% on track for the second round of internal war.

Had Gore pressed forward in the election, despite exhausing all legal appeals, the educated citizenry, who had knowledge of the overwealming evidence indicating his treasonist ties, would have done their duty and cast off the corrupt government!

However, this is where our enemies failed to understand our people, as they saw us divided and weak as never before in their eyes!

This was their biggest Mistake!

The founding fathers were clear that any national government should be for our common defense, this is why, since the attacks, everyone is rallying around the flag.

We have witnessed in our modern times, the cause of both forms of government, and the problems with all government, that power corrupts.

The southern cause as we have learned was more a cause of states rights, and a people who failed to stray from the strict interpretation of the constitution.

The fears of the founders, as stated in the Federalist Papers, were correct in the fact that a federal system consolidates too much power, and under corrupt administrations cannot be trusted.

However, during war time, as we have learned through battle, a strong central government is necessary for efficiently managing and coordinating a war effort.

Therefore, we now recognize the good and the bad that can come with both forms of government.

They both have drawbacks and shortcomings.

In light of our discoveries, our citizenry has rediscovered freedoms meaning and the values our founders instilled in the drafting of the documentation for which we set out to construct of Republic.

Today I fly both flags, although recently I only flew the Confederate flag!

I flew the flag because of oppressive government intrusion and abuse of power, due to the usurpations of the past administration.

The Confederacy is the last insurance against all failed checks and balances of government corruption!

When our war campaign is complete, we will return to civilized peace time behavior as a country.

We must continue the work of downsizing of the government, and return the power to the states where it rightly resides.

As history repeats, we will consolidate power in time of war, although during peace time it should be dissolved.

However, we will never allow the constitution to be superseded, and reserve all rights to cast off any corrupt government!

We must be weary of any international entanglements that will claim to destroy our sovereignty and the rights of individuals.

The Confederate flag, and the southern people have every right to be very proud of their heritage, and resolve to maintaining the principles of the founders!

THE
STATE
OF
THE
CONFEDERACY
IS
UNITED!

[JMJ333]

I wasn't comparing my culture. I was telling you reality. We had 500,000 slaves come to America. That is in comparison to some 4,000,000 that went to Brazil by the Portuguese, 2,500,000 to Spanish possessions, 2,000,000 to the British West Indies, and 1,600,000 to the French West Indies. Not to mention the ones who went to the middle-east--and are still being sold into slavery in the Sudan and Mauritania.

Now, don't leave out the northern slave states like Delaware who fought on the side of the north. It wasn't just the racist southerners who engaged in slavery, you know.

You could also explain why the non-racist government of Lincoln issued executive orders to lynch 69 Indians in Minnesota, and 88 blacks in New York City, and had a conscription policy that sent northern states into an upheaval. And if it was all about us being racists then explain why the U.S. Supreme Court declared that putting the South under martial law ['reconstruction'] was unconstitutional in 1876.

My point is that the causations of that war are not as clear cut as you think.

[glc1173@aol.com]

"Until recently, if you saw a red, white and blue flag sticker on a Southern pickup truck, odds were good that it was a Confederate flag." (Charleston Post)

Bull. I still see plenty of Confederate flags on vehicles here in the Burlington, North Carolina area - one on my sedan.

Also, at a gun show in Lexington Oct. 20-21, at least half the bumper stickers being sold had CSA themes - many openly Southern-separatist.

Southerner and proud of it.

[JMJ333]

We both agree that slavery was wrong but do you believe that the South's resistance to the Civil Rights Movement was wrong?

What does that have to do with the causation of the WONA? I'm not up for bait and switch.

[Belial]

The war of 1861-1865 was less about slavery than it was all about how the Tenth Amendment is defined by the person with the most powerful army.

I've hear this argument from Southerners frequently. White southerners, that is.

[Dr. Pepper]

Answer the Question. Should it be in a state’s power to reject the dictates of the National Government and segregate minorities and deny them the right to vote?

[theoriginalgriff]

you can direct that comment to the dumocrat liberals who lost the last presidential election.

[JMJ333]

Too bad I got that argument from JJ Johnson. Black confederate at sierra times.

[ableChair]

Ummmm...I hate to rain on your parade but this whole confederate flag thing in the south has been and still is a class issue. All southerners don't fly confederate flags; in deed, many of them think such demonstrations are quite silly. I was born and raised in Atlanta and I am amazed at how some of these stereotypes develop; and how class-based this kind of behavior is. Oh, and yes, I have relatives in rural Georgia. Same story - it's not an Atlanta thing. This behavior has nothing to do with being 'southern'. My mother (yes, we're white folks) supported the civil rights movement back in the fifties and sixties and she says it was the same then, too. Not all southerners were racist, but boy did the media love to find the ones (or should I say, the trash) that were!

[PLMerite]

Same here...and God help the poor moron who messes with either one.

[HENRYADAMS]

Stars and Bars are part of our America. (Even though my Great-Great -Grandfather came down to Atlanta with Unca Billy and paid a call.)

[Belial]

I don't think that's true, and I don't doubt that many who fly the Stars and Bars are intelligent, and do so with liberty and equality as guiding principles.

The problem that I see is that this emblem arose from one of the great moral struggles of its day, in which Southerners were on the wrong side. Better to have fewer rights delegated to states, and no slaves.

[Petronski]

...unreconstructed Southern partisans...

[BLOATED EUPHEMISM ALERT]

[Howlin]

Your nostalgic obsession with the Confederacy would be like Germans flying the Nazi flag because they wanted to respect their heritage.

Uno problemo. Most Germans are not PROUD of their heritage. We are.

[Howlin]

Don't be obtuse. Even Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves.

[JMJ333]

Answer the Question. Should it be in a state’s power to reject the dictates of the National Government and segregate minorities and deny them the right to vote?

No. I don't. But this is not why the war was fought, nor what we are discussing. It was about secession and liberty.

The centralization of governmental power has not only lead to the looting and plundering of the taxpaying class by the parasitic class; it has also slowly destroyed freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas. One of the first things every tyrannical government does is to monopolize the educational system in order to brainwash the young and bolster its political power, and As soon as Lee surrendered at Appomatox the federal government began revising history to teach that secession was illegitimate.

Now...how about answering the questions I posed to you?