Hijackers were targeting White House - controller

IE Breaking ^ | 25/10/2001 11:49:52 AM

[snopercod]

And I wonder how soon we'll see apologies and retractions from the "We Want AWACS" Crowd?

These planes were under radar contact by ATC the whole time, yet some people think feel that having better radar will stop attacks like this.

[jammer]

Now, now.

Did you think I posted this to try to convince anyone of the position? Your minds won't be changed, and mine won't either. We have different opinions, and, contrary to the people who are calling for apology, this article does not prove anything regarding my point--my point concerns the time frame after 11:00. At that time, DC was safe and the entourage was flying around the country, making it look to all GWB's opponents, most neutral observers, and some of his supporters as if there was total confusion, chaos, and cowardice. Sorry, but that's the way I saw it and still see it. Confusion and chaos are understandable. Cowardice is not.

To Tennessean4Bush First, I have admitted on this forum when it was demonstrated I was wrong--once yesterday. After GWB's speech, I not only admitted I was wrong about his "cowardice" (my term), but posted an apology. I don't think he was a coward--I think the SS made him look that way to reasonable observers. And I said that in the post you responded to. The website name is definitely a mischaracterization and cheap shot at my character. It would be much more reasonable to name a website "upgwbsass.com" and ask you to be webmaster.

To babble-on, what can I say? We weren't discussing the feelings of people at the W.H. Besides, you must have been talking to the janitors--your spelling of "conceivable" indicates that an educated person wouldn't talk with you, other than to flip you a quarter at the door.

[colorado tanker]

Thanks for your analysis. The White House looms large in our minds because of its importance, but it's actually a rather small building set in a park-like area. An amateur pilot could easily miss it. The Capitol, on the other hand, is large and set up on a hill. The Pennsylvania plane must have been assigned to the Capitol, which explains why when he couldn't spot the White House he diverted to the Pentagon. The thought of the White House or the Capitol smashed and burning is really chilling. As bad as 9-11 was, it could have been even worse.

[babble-on]

Damn, I actually noticed the typo as I hit "post." My spelling is usually impeccable.

[jammer]

BTW, I just looked at your profile. You and I are NOT enemies and I apologize for the cheap shot I just made. On the first thread about who would be selected for VP by Cheney, I was the first to say that I thought Cheney himself would be the best person. So, let's just disagree on the other matter and go looking for fights with people who are anathema to free men.

[babble-on]

But actually, we WERE discussing the feelings of people at the White House. You are saying the Secret Service were wrong to think that there was a credible threat on the President, and I am saying you are stupid.

[babble-on]

Oh crap, then you make peace just as I perpetuate the violence. TRUCE!

[jammer]

I am truly laughing my a** off. Have a good one!

[gridlock]

I don't think he was a coward--I think the SS made him look that way to reasonable observers.

He would only look like a coward to an observer who thinks it is a good idea to put the President and the Vice President in the same location during a time of national crisis. This is exactly what you do not want to do. When the country is under attack, the President's primary duty is to preserve National Command Authority and to begin to plan for the counterattack. This is what GWB was doing.

GWB lost political capital, because he did not appear within the hour in the Oval Office to institute a big national group-hug. That would have bee a smart political move for him, but it would have been a dereliction of his duty. With this particular President, I think you can be sure that duty comes first.

We all know what Slick would have done. But GWB is not Slick, for which we should all be eternally grateful.

[jammer]

Well, I agree with the thrust of your argument, and the specifics of the MCA. I definitely see where your opinion is valid. You don't see where mine is--and that's perfectly acceptable. That's as it SHOULD be. My opinion of what should have happened is risky; your's is prudent. Your conviction is deeply felt; mine is not--it's just the perspective from my observation point. But that IS the appearance to me. I surely stirred up the hornet's nest with that, didn't I?

BTW the way, I like your screen name. When they talk about Congressional gridlock, I say great. That's what the country needs for about 50 years. (IMHO)

[gridlock]

I changed over to this screen name in honor of the Jeffords defection. I agree with Will Rogers that the people are never safe when the Legislature is in session. Gridlock is the next best thing to permanent adjournment, IMHO.

[Howlin]

Since the attack, O'Brien has been having nightmares. "I've sat up straight in bed many times, reliving it, reseeing it, rehearing it," she says. "And it's in the most absurd ways that only a dream could depict."

In her dreams, events unfold differently.

"The one that comes to mind most, dreaming of a green pool in front of me. That was part of the radar scope. It was a pool of gel, and I reached into the radar scope to stop that flight. But in the dream, I didn't harm the plane," she says. "I just held it in my hand, and somehow that stopped everything."

Stunning.

[Howlin]

Pretty hard to see, IMO.

[Howlin]

I should have done it like this:

Pretty hard to see, IMO.

[Tennessean4Bush]

The website name is definitely a mischaracterization and cheap shot

Just joking with you, just a gentle jab.

[jammer]

Before your last reply, I thought about writing to say that it was a funny one, though. But I had to go to the grocery. Lord knows, if I couldn't take it a little, I would have never posted the first reply! I knew what was coming! *S*