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9/11 and the Tin-Foil Hat Crowd
vanity | 10/24/01 | me

Posted on 10/24/2001 9:44:01 AM PDT by bassmaner

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To: ericthecurdog
People with vast, unprecedented, power, want to keep what they have, and get more.

Simple.

41 posted on 10/24/2001 10:40:51 AM PDT by spoosman
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To: That Poppins Woman
"Here to stay. And moving right next door to you."

Hey! You promised/threatened to move in next door to me! And...the house is for sale, too.

P.S. I happen to be particularly fond of cheese.

42 posted on 10/24/2001 10:41:15 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: bassmaner
It does seem increasingly difficult to buy the assertion that bin-Laden is "the man that masterminded the attack". In light that no meaningful evidence has been offered, it comes down to "blind faith" in the honesty and competence of US leadership.

The US Feds have been caught in lie after lie after lie. I have no rational reason to believe anything they say.

When considering other themes, it seems there are too many to choose from. Oil, Islam, Palestine, economic decline… to list a few.

I prefer to wait and watch.

43 posted on 10/24/2001 10:46:00 AM PDT by Jack Barbara
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To: spoosman
All men want to be rich
Rich men want to be kings
And a king ain't satisfied until he owns everything.

-- Bruce Springsteen

44 posted on 10/24/2001 10:46:35 AM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: Cyber Liberty
Oh! Decisions, decisions ...

Well, I'll just think about it tomorrow, because, after all, tomorrow is another day!

... and we all know from the Guild's thread, today is No Whining Wednesday!

45 posted on 10/24/2001 10:48:54 AM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: That Poppins Woman
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Baba Rum Raisin

46 posted on 10/24/2001 10:49:53 AM PDT by babylonian
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To: babylonian
There are none so lost, as those who are led astray
47 posted on 10/24/2001 10:54:23 AM PDT by MJY1288
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To: That Poppins Woman
Yeah, well, with the propensity you and I have for throwing furniture at each other, the neighborhood's a pretty boring place without you....
48 posted on 10/24/2001 10:54:28 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: bassmaner
You know, I've been mostly sceptical regarding the CFR, Trilaterist, Bilderberger stuff.

There's not really enough to make me a believer.

What I do believe, however, is that our government, and our elected officials have not always been acting with OUR best interests in mind. I believe that our government and our elected officals has caused great harm to citizens, communities, the nation and freedom. I also believe that SOP for decades has been to lie and cover-up and lie some more "for the good of the country".

I find it entirely possible that there is an underlying agenda in the current world events, and the agenda is power and money. Both are derived from the oil and poppies in the middle east. The Bush family and the Cheney family are both heavily invested in the region, both families stand to gain a great deal if the middle east can be controlled and exploited.??? ????????

49 posted on 10/24/2001 10:55:38 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: MJY1288
I'll admit I'm astray, but I ain't lost.
50 posted on 10/24/2001 10:56:11 AM PDT by babylonian
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To: Jefferson Adams
That some legislators & burrowcraps were just waiting for something like this to happen is entirely believable, if not simply expected. That's reasonable to believe.

What's downright nuts is thinking they specifically arranged for 19 foriegners to hijack planes and drive them into buildings - just so the leglislators & burrowcraps could submit some bills and change policies.

51 posted on 10/24/2001 10:56:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: bassmaner
I've never doubted that there are hidden hands working powerful influence behind the scenes. It is only common sense however that there could never be just one group and that whatever groups there are ... are at cross and counter purposes. Thus they probably cancel each others efforts.

Perhaps some such group or groups have funneled money into the terr networks for their own purposes. Much to their chagrin at this time I'm sure. The terrs are obviously not at anyones beck and call. Guys like Yossef Bodansky and many others have just done too good a job tracking and chronicaling their efforts over too long a time. The terr goals are strictly Islamist and THAT ain't good for business no matter how you look at it.

Many conspiracy buffs postulate a group aiming at bringing about world chrisis out of which could be fashioned a NWO under someone or something's central control. Well the Islamists would never be brought under any central control and they are presently OUT of control and the US is the only force on earth with a chance to bring them under control.

The end product of future events looking more and more like WWIII can only bring about the opposite of what any hidden NWO group could wish to transpire. Either we end up with a solid uni-lateral world with a super nationalistic reborn America undeniably in charge .... or we end up with a world gone mad with mass serial murderer Islamists running loose upon the globe. Neither being good for NWO conspirator types.

No the truly scary earth shattering hidden possibility in all this is that China may try to tip the balance in favor of the islamist terrs knowing they can simply nuke them into oblivion later, leaving THEM as the unchallenged leader of the world.

52 posted on 10/24/2001 10:59:30 AM PDT by mercy
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To: WhiteGuy
"The Bush family and the Cheney family are both heavily invested in the region, both families stand to gain a great deal if the middle east can be controlled and exploited.??? "

That has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever read. Why don't you please show us how the Cheney's and the Bush family are "heavily invested in the region" and just what do they have to gain?

53 posted on 10/24/2001 11:00:42 AM PDT by MJY1288
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To: ctdonath2
Legislators and burrowcraps are peons. They're all small time players and aren't responsible for any of this mess. But would it not occur to you that the globalist vermin who want to bring us down would create or fund a Saddam Hussein or an Osama bin Laden?
54 posted on 10/24/2001 11:02:51 AM PDT by babylonian
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To: bassmaner
Could the tin-foil hat wackos be on to something

Official explanations seem to run a course. First there are the tinfoilers. Then small market discussions of the 'explanation' on NewsMax, or FreeRepublic. Then after awhile 'legitimate' outlets may trifle with it, like Rush, the History Channel, or Fox News. The whole idea is graduallism, and confusion of the issue with alternative explanations.

Afterwhile we just sigh and think the CIA probably did smoke Kennedy, but that was years ago and will we ever know for sure? Most 'official explainations' are forgotten at the small market discussion stage. We dont hear much about Ron Brown, Vince Foster, Flight 800, boys on the tracks, Mena, bloodgate, Diana, or John John, anymore. Waco and OKC seem to stick, both have seen big market discussion from time to time. WTC will stick too, although there is a new element of intimidation in the air.

Aside from controlled, belated discussion we will not see any justice for the perps or the victims of these crimes till the next life. I doubt we will be surprised when we get the real explaination--there.

55 posted on 10/24/2001 11:05:28 AM PDT by allrightythen
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To: Jefferson Adams
Perhaps this is part of the trifecta, er trilateral or whatever the hell's big plan for us all:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/555612/posts

56 posted on 10/24/2001 11:14:54 AM PDT by ericthecurdog
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To: GoreIsLove
just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.

LOL!!.. wait...

did you hear that?

57 posted on 10/24/2001 11:15:24 AM PDT by PeterBarringer
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To: babylonian
But would it not occur to you that the globalist vermin who want to bring us down would create or fund a Saddam Hussein or an Osama bin Laden?

Would it not occur to you that the globalist vermin who want to bring us down ARE a Saddam Hussein or an Osama bin Laden?

Both are well-funded leaders of world-class megalomaniacical organizations (one a nation, one a movement) who have the motivation and resources to do what they've done WITHOUT additional help or persuasion. Why look to an unproven next-level cabal when these guys are provably entirely capable of doing what they're accused of?

58 posted on 10/24/2001 11:20:46 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: PeterBarringer
No matter how paranoid I get, it's never enough to keep up.

The question is not whether I'm paranoid, it's whether I'm paranoid enough.

The truly paraniod are rarely conned.

Doesn't matter if I'm paranoid - they're still after me.

I sincerely believe people talk about me. Mine would be a pretty meaningless existance if they didn't.

Why are some people terrified of "black helicopters" and don't even notice that they are being monitored almost constantly by the whole network of obvious surveilance cameras, credit cards, ATMs, EZpass, company ID/access cards, magazine subscriptions, SSNs, taxes, fees, video rentals, Internet firewall recording, 'cookies', ... ?

Paranoia: the belief that someone cares.

Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible.

When everyone is out to get you, paranoia is only good thinking.

"Paranoia is knowing all the facts."
- Woody Allen

"Paranoia is just another word for longevity."
- Laurell K. Hamilton, The Laughing Corpse

"Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness."

"Paranoia is reality seen on a finer scale."
- Philo Gant, Strange Days

"The issue is not whether you are paranoid, the issue is whether you are paranoid enough."
- Max, Strange Days

"Why are you so paranoid, Mulder?"
"Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's because I find it hard to trust anybody."
- Scully & Mulder, The X-Files, "Ascension"

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're
always afraid. You step out
of line, the man come and
take you away.

"I don't agonize over decisions as much these days. The criteria of what's important to me is clear. The insecurity that you feel, and the paranoia that you feel, have been around for a long time -- you know it's a liar because it's been lying to you all along -- every time you start something new. You get used to it, and you sort of go, 'Oh, you're showing up again, well f*** you.'"
- John Cusack

Freedom is just a hallucination created by a pathological lack of paranoia.

Paranoia doesn't mean the whole world really isn't out to get you.

If you ever wanted to know what a person with acute paranoia looks like, just keep watching.

I have the power to channel my imagination into ever-soaring levels of suspicion and paranoia.

Paranoia is heightened awareness.

Paranoia is a social disease--you get it from screwing other people.

"Paranoia is the delusion that your enemies are organized."
- Arthur D. Hlavaty.

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."
- Hunter S Thompson

"There are two kinds of paranoia: Total, and insufficient. I am both, because if you think you are sufficiently paranoid, you're not."
- Guildenstern, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

"The truly paranoid are clever enough to not *act* paranoid."
- Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation

"When everyone _is_ out to get to you, being paranoid isn't going to help."
- Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation

"When did you get so paranoid?"
"When they started plotting against me."
- The Paper

"Paranoia is only the leading edge of the discovery that everything in the world is connected."
- `The Illuminatus Trilogy'

When you've been through everything I have, paranoia is merely a precaution!

Paranoia is not the belief that everybody's out to get you -- they are.
Paranoia is the belief that everybody's conspiring to get you.

The greater the concentration of power, the greater the paranoia it generates about its need to destroy everything outside itself.

I love this job. Nothing like paranoia and neurosis. Who needs a Coke habit? I've got journalism!!

There's something inherently American about paranoia. Given the increasing scarcity of rational things to fear in 20th century American society, we dream up theories whose inevitable result is the chaotic disruption of our comfortable, orderly life-usually with dastardly consequences. I think we get a perverse thrill that comes from it.

"Mulder, are you suggesting that we somehow create our own quirky focal points of paranoia, as a result of the lack of things that are worth fearing in our day-to-day lives? That we're not whole as beings without something to worry about, something to keep our eye on?"
"That's my point exactly, Scully. What if, in a society characterized by a Goldilocks economy, we can't find anything to worry about? What if we somehow go looking for things to fear, things that will destroy this economy, things that will reach every corner of government, every enterprise, every man, woman, and child?"
- X-Files

59 posted on 10/24/2001 11:30:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: bassmaner
Good thread.
60 posted on 10/24/2001 11:34:55 AM PDT by Aerial
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