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Harvard vs. Texas A&M: Which shares your values?
Orlando Sentinel ^ | October 12, 2001 | Peter A. Brown

Posted on 10/12/2001 5:58:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

This is a tale of two college campuses and a Rorschach test for Americans to decide where they fit along the nation's cultural divide.

It's corny vs. cool, instinctive patriotism vs. deeply ingrained political correctness.

It's Texas A&M vs. Harvard. Despite my Harvard background, I come down squarely with the Aggies.

My guess is that most Americans will, too, even those who might be embarrassed to admit it, until they think about the two schools and themselves.

Harvard ended funding for, and kicked off campus, the Reserve Officers' Training Corps, which provides financial aid to students who receive training and become military officers. It did so in 1995 because the Pentagon prohibits homosexuals from openly serving in the military.

Harvard, whose students can take ROTC at nearby schools, apparently believes that promoting gay rights takes precedence over the national defense.

At A&M, the military is part of a culture that reveres family, football and, in times past, making fun of New Yorkers.

But after the Sept. 11 attack, students at the working-class university devised a uniquely Aggie way to raise more than $150,000 for the victims, most of whom are from New York. Harvard students, with presumably greater financial resources, did nothing comparable.

A&M students sold 70,000-plus T-shirts proclaiming "Standing Up For America," in patriotic colors. The school's triple-decker, 82,000-seat football stadium was color-coded, the top in red, middle in white and the bottom in blue for the next game. It was one patriotic television picture.

Admittedly, these are not exact comparisons, but the anecdotes illustrate the cultural differences between Harvard and A&M, and, to an uncomfortable degree, between Ivy League elites and most of America.

Harvard is, well, Harvard, the nation's most-prestigious university. But it's a snooty place where many, although by no means all, look down on the rest of America as intellectually inferior and unsophisticated.

I spent two semesters there as a Neiman Fellow, taking advantage of a generous university program that allows mid-career journalists to sample its rich academic offerings.

At the time, shortly after Ronald Reagan's election as president, the campus consensus was that he had duped the country. Americans, the Harvard group-think argued, would return to traditional liberalism soon. That view was out of touch then, as now.

Fast-forward to today, when Harvard is among elite colleges where the view that U.S. foreign policy gave Osama bin Laden reason for his terrorism appears to be more than a fringe opinion. The Associated Press reports that "a recent peace rally [on campus] drew several times more students than a patriotism rally."

At A&M, this year rated the nation's 15th best public university by U.S. News & World Report, the T-shirts symbolize an instinctive belief in America and its values. Students and faculty there have the common sense to distinquish between foreign policy and murder.

The reality is that the comparison between Harvard and Texas A&M illustrates the heirarcy of institutional values.

At Harvard -- and I'm being generous to the school's students and faculty -- there is an underlying skepticism about the virtues of the U.S. military and unabashed patriotism. Some argue that hostility is a more accurate term.

Many at Harvard and similar institutions say that most Americans don't understand the complex nature of the issue. But they're wrong. Sometimes things are as simple as they seem.

The Harvard detachment from the military, symbolized by its looney ROTC policy, is one reason that students, faculty and administrators take an academic view of the situation. Many see flag-waving patriotism as wrongly judgmental about the superiority of the American way of life.

And Harvard is not alone. Other elite educational institutions, such as Yale and Cal-Berkeley, display similar attitudes, especially when compared with most of the nation's campuses and communities.

At A&M, as in most of America, the students and faculty believe national defense takes priority over pushing gay rights. And despite, what some of my liberal friends will argue, this view has nothing to do with anti-gay bigotry.

It has to do with common sense. When the nation is attacked, internal squabbles about policy nuances pale in comparison.

Times like these make me wish Harvard played serious football so I could root against them on TV. You can be sure that I will be pulling for the Aggies.

Peter A. Brown can be reached at 407-420-5276 or pbrown@orlandosentinel.com Copyright © 2001, Orlando Sentinel


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To: hoyos28
At A&M, this year rated the nation's 15th best public university by U.S. News & World Report, I think 'Tier 4' could refer to your ability to comprehend... Gig 'em! Class of '96
21 posted on 10/12/2001 6:41:03 AM PDT by Coolidge75
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To: Aggie Mama
HOWDY! from one Aggie Mom to another (daughter class of '04)- I believe the muster you speak of was at Corregador and if there's a picture it will probably be on the A&M website.
23 posted on 10/12/2001 6:54:47 AM PDT by texgal
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To: hoyos28
I can comprehend the fact that the title of that page is "National Universities-Doctoral", chief. Believe it or not, I've heard that undergraduate instruction actually occurs at the university. Perhaps you need some remedial instruction, no?
24 posted on 10/12/2001 6:55:46 AM PDT by Coolidge75
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To: hoyos28
I can also comprehend that Texas A&M University-College Station is not on that Tier 4 list. Man, you need help.
25 posted on 10/12/2001 6:58:14 AM PDT by Coolidge75
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To: hoyos28
Um, no. Those Tier 4 universities are alternative TAMU campuses. The main campus, at College Station, is Tier 1. Nice try. Interestingly enough, they rank TAMU and UT the same, although I think UT is pretty much superior.
26 posted on 10/12/2001 7:01:10 AM PDT by DallasJ7
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To: hoyos28
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/natudoc/tier1/t1natudoc.htm Oh my, it looks like your rankings have Texas A&M ranked as a Tier 1 university when it comes to doctoral programs. Perhaps you should review your sources before you proceed to show what an ass you are...
27 posted on 10/12/2001 7:01:35 AM PDT by Coolidge75
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To: Coolidge75
Gig 'em Coolidge. I think he's just bitter that they rejected his application.....again. =)
28 posted on 10/12/2001 7:01:55 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: hoyos28
I can't believe I'm defending Aggies, but the tier 4 school you reference is A&M Commerce - not College Station, which is listed at #48 on the top schools page.

Nice tone to your posts though, very endearing.

29 posted on 10/12/2001 7:02:03 AM PDT by Mike K
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To: Coolidge75
This is getting embarrassing.
30 posted on 10/12/2001 7:02:29 AM PDT by Freemyland
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To: Timesink
I believe the case for your post # 17 has just been made.
32 posted on 10/12/2001 7:06:22 AM PDT by Freemyland
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To: hoyos28
My bad. As a Texas A&M grad, I thought that "Ivy Leaguers" conducted themselves with class and decorum. Apparently, I was mistaken.
33 posted on 10/12/2001 7:08:23 AM PDT by Coolidge75
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To: jdub
Gig'em Aggies! Right_Wing_Professor, Harvard GSAS '84.
34 posted on 10/12/2001 7:09:10 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Nubbin
According to my daughter who will graduate from A&M in May, Multi-Cultural, PC, anti-western crap is alive and well at A&M. The difference between Harvard and A&M may be that it is the Professors spouting that crap and the students mostly try to ignore it.

I would say that the students have the good common sense (instilled in them by their loving parents)to ignore the multi-cultural, PC, anti-western cr**.

I've found a lot more conservative, God fearing faculty and staff at A&M than I ever expected to find on any college campus - anywhere. If you ever have the opportunity to hear Dr. Ben Welch speak, you should go to hear him. You will not be disappointed.

Patriotism and love of God, country and family are alive and well at A&M. God love those Aggies!

35 posted on 10/12/2001 7:14:13 AM PDT by texgal
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To: hoyos28
a harvard grad interviewing w/me for a job would find
him/herself having some high hurdles to overcome.

but that's not likely to happen anyway,
as my shop actually works/produces things.

'twould be a foreign concept to most harvard grads ...
(and prolly to you as well, given your snide-assed comments)

36 posted on 10/12/2001 7:15:24 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Right Wing Professor
Hullabaloo, Caneck! Caneck!
Hullabaloo, Caneck! Caneck!
All hail dear old Texas A&M,,
Rally around Maroon and White,
Good luck to the dear old Texas Aggies,
They are the boys who show the fight.
That good old Aggie spirit thrills us,
And makes us yell and yell and yell;
So let's fight for dear old Texas A&M,
We're goin' to beat you all to-
Chig-gar-roo-gar-rem!
Chig-gar-roo-gar-rem!
Rough! Tough!
Real stuff! Texas A&M!

37 posted on 10/12/2001 7:19:38 AM PDT by Nubbin
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To: hoyos28
My bad. As an Ivy League grad, I supposed the State of Texas would confine itself to creating just one campus of full of hicks and rednecks. But apparently there are many.

You should quit now, you're embarrassing your ivy league self.

38 posted on 10/12/2001 7:22:51 AM PDT by Mike K
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To: hoyos28
I don't think Reveille likes your tone.
39 posted on 10/12/2001 7:24:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
something I have been wondering. I have a new daughter(who turns 1 year old on the 16th!) and we are saving up to send her to the college of her choice. We of course think she is brilliant(which she is) and think she will be able to choose from any college she wants. Are there any of the "elite" colleges that may be well known for having conservative values, or at least not such liberal snobbery as Harvard or Brown? We are in Oklahoma, so SMU and Rice are close. Any suggestions?
40 posted on 10/12/2001 7:25:50 AM PDT by Frank Grimes
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