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US puts squeeze on Israel
Guardian Unlimited ^ | 10/12/01 | Ewen MacAskill and Suzanne Goldenberg

Posted on 10/11/2001 7:08:53 PM PDT by gohabsgo

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To: WyldKard
I think we are in agreement here. My point is that for liberals to be satisfied we must NOT ignore the Chi-Comms and MUST ignore the Islamic world; two entities with nearly identical populations. The parallel goes further with these positions vis-a-vis Taiwan and Israel.
181 posted on 10/12/2001 2:08:46 PM PDT by 11bravo
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To: monkeyshine
I'll ask again: In what way are the Zionists co-opting the tragedy for their own selfish propeganda purposes?

The towers had hardly hit the ground before former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was over here appearing repeatedly on Fox over three days telling the US how it should handle its crisis and then telling us what a big mistake we were making when Bush didn't buy his analysis. He was echoed by Richard Pearle and Secretary Wolfowitz who were ubiquitous on Fox and frequently on CNN during this time. All of this was echoed and repeated ad nauseum by all the talking heads at Fox.

The message Netanyahu was trying to sell was that Afganistan and bin Laden were "sideshows" (his word). We should not "waste our time on them". The heart of the terr*rist octopus was Iraq whose tentacles were Hamas and Hezbollah. That is where we should strike in concert with our good ally Israel. It was the Palestinians and their ev*l master who were the real enemy. (This message always seemed to be in the context of the "Now, America, do you get it?" chant.)

Now I expect you can work it out for yourself but just in case you are having difficulty here's some help: Having just suffered a shocking and heinous calamity the country was subjected to a highly organized propaganda campaign to forget about those who struck us and to go to war instead on the side of Israel against Israel's enemies. After all, Netanyahu told us "there were more Israelis killed (proportionate to population) in the pizza parlor blast than we lost on September 12" (paraphrase).

Bush stood up tp the pressure and continues to. The battle is far from over.

183 posted on 10/12/2001 2:21:10 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: monkeyshine
I'll ask again: In what way are the Zionists co-opting the tragedy for their own selfish propeganda purposes?

The towers had hardly hit the ground before former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was over here appearing repeatedly on Fox over three days telling the US how it should handle its crisis and then telling us what a big mistake we were making when Bush didn't buy his analysis. He was echoed by Richard Pearle and Secretary Wolfowitz who were ubiquitous on Fox and frequently on CNN during this time. All of this was echoed and repeated ad nauseum by all the talking heads at Fox.

The message Netanyahu was trying to sell was that Afganistan and bin Laden were "sideshows" (his word). We should not "waste our time on them". The heart of the terr*rist octopus was Iraq whose tentacles were Hamas and Hezbollah. That is where we should strike, along side of our ally Israel. It was the Palestinians and their ev*l master who were the real enemy. (This message always seemed to be in the context of the "Now, America, do you get it?" chant.)

Now, I expect you can put all that together but just in case I'll spell it out. Having just suffered a horrendous and enormous calamity we were being told to forget the people who did it and instead join Israel in her war. After all, Netanyahu told us, Israel lost more people (proportionate to populations) in the pizza parlor explosion that we did on September 12. Yes, he really said that--just what the bereaved needed to hear. Bush stood up to the pressure but the struggle is not over.

185 posted on 10/12/2001 2:31:24 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: monkeyshine
I'll ask again: In what way are the Zionists co-opting the tragedy for their own selfish propeganda purposes?

The towers had hardly hit the ground before former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was over here appearing repeatedly on Fox over three days telling the US how it should handle its crisis and then telling us what a big mistake we were making when Bush didn't buy his analysis. He was echoed by Richard Pearle and Secretary Wolfowitz who were ubiquitous on Fox and frequently on CNN during this time. All of this was echoed and repeated ad nauseum by all the talking heads at Fox.

The message Netanyahu was trying to sell was that Afganistan and bin Laden were "sideshows" (his word). We should not "waste our time on them". The heart of the terr*rist octopus was Iraq whose tentacles were Hamas and Hezbollah. That is where we should strike, along side of our ally Israel. It was the Palestinians and their ev*l master who were the real enemy. (This message always seemed to be in the context of the "Now, America, do you get it?" chant.)

Now, I expect you can put all that together but just in case I'll spell it out. Having just suffered a horrendous and enormous calamity we were being told to forget the people who did it and instead join Israel in her war. After all, Netanyahu told us, Israel lost more people (proportionate to populations) in the pizza parlor explosion that we did on September 12. Yes, he really said that--just what the bereaved needed to hear. Bush stood up to the pressure but the struggle is not over.

186 posted on 10/12/2001 2:35:30 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: monkeyshine
I'll ask again: In what way are the Zionists co-opting the tragedy for their own selfish propeganda purposes?

The towers had hardly hit the ground before former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was over here appearing repeatedly on Fox over three days telling the US how it should handle its crisis and then telling us what a big mistake we were making when Bush didn't buy his analysis. He was echoed by Richard Pearle and Secretary Wolfowitz who were ubiquitous on Fox and frequently on CNN during this time. All of this was echoed and repeated ad nauseum by all the talking heads at Fox.

The message Netanyahu was trying to sell was that Afganistan and bin Laden were "sideshows" (his word). We should not "waste our time on them". The heart of the terr*rist octopus was Iraq whose tentacles were Hamas and Hezbollah. That is where we should strike, along side of our ally Israel. It was the Palestinians and their ev*l master who were the real enemy. (This message always seemed to be in the context of the "Now, America, do you get it?" chant.)

Now, I expect you can put all that together but just in case I'll spell it out. Having just suffered a horrendous and enormous calamity we were being told to forget the people who did it and instead join Israel in her war. After all, Netanyahu told us, Israel lost more people (proportionate to populations) in the pizza parlor explosion that we did on September 12. Yes, he really said that--just what the bereaved needed to hear. Bush stood up to the pressure but the struggle is not over.

187 posted on 10/12/2001 2:37:01 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: Seti 1
And how is that co-opting the tragedy?

You cannot convince many people that Al-Queda is different from Hamas or Islamic Jihad or Hezbullah. They have the same beliefs, they share their resources, they have the same supporters, and they conduct the same types of terror on innocent people...only they each target a different enemy be that Israel, Egypt, or the USA.

Israel has been suffering horrible terrorist attacks, and has been repeatedly told to restrain herself from retaliating. Why should Israel act any differently to terrorism than the USA has?

Now the reward for blowing up 6000 Americans is statehood for the Palestinians? What a great message we are sending... if you don't like what we are doing, kill us and then we will change our minds. What a bullshit policy. We should not restrain Israel from stomping the terrorists, just like nobody should restrain us from doing the same. Now, I have always said I am in favor of Palestinian statehood, but it is VERY CLEAR that the people who are coopting this tragedy are the Arabs, who are extracting every last concession they can from us in order to keep this coalition together, up to an including trying to donate money in order to gain a platform from which to spew propeganda and shed crocodile tears. Bin Alwaleed didn't make a peep when his uncle King Fahd kicked 300,000 Palestinians out of Saudi Arabia, but now he tries to use this tragedy to blame the victims and obfuscate the truth.

There comes a time when no amount of money can usurp principle. We have now arrived at that time. It is time for the Arab states to rise to the occasion and announce that they will recognize Israel as a legitimate state in the middle east. We have had to intercede far too many times in this region at incredible risk and death of Americans -- in Kuwait, in Lebanon, in Yemen, and probably in Afghanistan and Iraq in the future. It's time for us to insist that they get with the program and stop this petty hypocricy.

189 posted on 10/12/2001 3:02:00 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Lock & Load
Pack your bags Zio-Nazis. Be ready to abandon your settlements and move behind the green line.

I'm always so impressed with those who side with the people who CHEERED when 6000 of our people were murdered. NOT!

Why don't you lock and load, and put it to your forehead while you're at it.

190 posted on 10/12/2001 3:27:32 PM PDT by liberalism=failure
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To: Seti 1
I didn't get that at all, Netanyahu's speech was great and congress loved it. He truly personifies greatness the way Maggie thatcher and Ronald Reagan did.

The sad truth is there are some people here, very few thankfully, that hate Israel and Jews more than they hate Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

despicable

191 posted on 10/12/2001 3:34:39 PM PDT by liberalism=failure
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To: OldWhig
The USMC saw limited action in and near Kuwait City. Collectively they didn't "killed qiute a number". Semper Fido
192 posted on 10/12/2001 5:02:41 PM PDT by 11bravo
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To: veronica
Obviously Suzanne Goldenberg, George Bush, Powell et al have not received Israel's/Sharon's TALKING POINTS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/545279/posts
194 posted on 10/12/2001 9:41:51 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: OldWhig
How are you going to feel when Israel increases it's size and power 10 fold over the next couple of years, while tens of millions of your Arab-terrorist brethren are incinerated? You're in for some hard times, dude.

You live in a Fascist fantasy world, a dream land of world conquest and genocide performed against your enemies. Go ahead, let everyone know what Zionism is all about. It’s not about protecting that little “sliver of land” but world domination, starting with all the middle-east.

195 posted on 10/12/2001 9:46:17 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: gohabsgo
Patience!
196 posted on 10/12/2001 9:48:10 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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To: Fred25
It's about world domination??? YOU mean Zionism is about world domination??

Domination by .001 percent of the population?? Fred25 yours is a hateful, paranoid anti-semitic fantasy. How does that sound?

197 posted on 10/12/2001 9:49:35 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: marbren
I know President Bush reads his Bible and knows what God says about his chosen people . . .

I know President Bush reads his CONSTITUTION and knows what God says about his chosen people ALL MEN BEING CREATED EQUAL.

I believe that the founders of the United States of America were divinely inspired. I believe that God has given us a GREAT LEADER to navigate these times of calamity. Have faith that God has CHOSEN well.

198 posted on 10/12/2001 9:50:52 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: OldWhig
I can hardly wait until we take devestating military action against that newly elected member of the U.N. Security Counsil, Syria.

Hey, when are you guys going to invade Poland? A word of warning.... don’t invade Russia in the winter.

How many A-bombs do you plan to use when you start incinerating the world? Don’t you realize that the US, China, and Russia will stop you?

199 posted on 10/12/2001 9:50:53 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: State Attorney
Source of your post (from the link): i n f o p a l - The Independent Palestinian Information Network

Please take your propaganda somewhere else.
200 posted on 10/12/2001 9:57:05 PM PDT by Economist_MA
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