Empire America?

LLAN

A thoroughly silly prescription, 9/11 was an anarchist event?

I think that statement alone, undoes you whole post.

So you would have sent to police after Hitler I suppose and Zionism was the cause of his hatred of Jews also?

Pusuing and killing those who attacked us is now a crime?

The problem is that Pat's isolationist ideas have no relevancy to the real world.

An isolationist cautions us to not get involved in "international" problems, the upshot being the belief that this will allow us to proceed unmolested by foreign powers.

This theory didnt work very well on Dec 7, 1941 and it didn't work very well on Oct 11, 2001. The Japanese and the Taliban came to get us regardless of what we believed.

We are citizens of the world whether you like it or not, aggressive foreign powers will come after us if they feel it is in their interests.

Isolationism says wait until you are attacked until you do something about it - in a world of potential terrorists carrying suitcase nukes you no longer have that luxury.

Well it's not 1941, it's 2001, two moments in history that are not similar at all. Silly comparison. And on Sept 11 2001 we paid a horrific price for our GLOBALIST foreign policy. Somalia, Kosovo, supporting despotic regimes etc, etc. Having the Saddam's, Bin Laden's etc come back to haunt us when we never should have dealt with these bastards in the first place. We can't police our borders or control who we let into this country and you want to play world interventionist? Get your priorities straight!

We have never tried an isolationist foreign policy, at least not in a long time. Well we need to start to gravitate towards that way of thinking. Hit hard at those who attack us, but protect AMERICA FIRST! You need to figure out if you are a Globalist or an American. It doesn't work trying to be both.

Gibbon has a huge axe to grind, basically recasting the entire history of Rome to support his contention that Christianity makes societies weak.

Then how did Europe from 1500AD to 1800AD conquer most of the world, after being ***Christian*** for 1000 years?

How Christian is Europe today? Where is her empire today?

1000 years of Christianity clearly made Europe strong.

500 years of Empire clearly made Rome weak. Note, Rome only declined after becoming an empire; Christianity his ***consistently*** grown for 2000 years, prospering societies in direct proportion to their faith in it.

Why does Empire make people weak? Because the rule of force breaks down social cohesion and incentive.

How does Christianity and freedom make a people strong? By empowering the individual and growing voluntary social bonds (faith).

Folks, when I was 14, I was real into that Will-to-Power stuff too. Then I actually had to learn ***how*** to struggle, rather then just theorize about it.

This is the only key to overcoming: Community.

These Will-to-Power schemes are the last refuge of the socially inept.

Good luck to those of you who participate in them. Perhaps you'll succeed as well as the late Romans. But those devoted to Christianity's principle's of community building will succeed just as well as the early Christians, arising from the humblest of beginings to outlast a dying state by 1500 years and counting. And it was the Christians [now the 2 billion richest and most powerful people on earth], not the Romans, who inherited the future. So take that, Gibbon!

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