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Why America Has Already Lost the War
Arutz Sheva (Israel) | 28 September 2001 | Moshe Feiglin

Posted on 09/28/2001 11:19:47 AM PDT by Magician

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To: Magician,Thinkin' Gal,Zadokite,Jeremiah Jr,TrueBeliever9,Prodigal Daughter,sirgawain,EastTexAnn
Great piece...except: true Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism but Islam is not. Ishmael was a child of the flesh and Isaac of the spirit.
121 posted on 09/29/2001 2:49:56 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: one_particular_harbour
Two deviant daughters came forth from Judaism but left the fold

If they left the fold to found other religions - by definition they were diviant.

Both hate their mother

Was in the original quote, so why was it bolded? If I were malicious I could construe that as an attempt to deceive, but I know it wasn't.

The phrase that was left out was not germain to the argument being proposed

In my opinion OPH, it seems too much like nitpicking. I assume therefore you disagree with the thesis of the entire article.

123 posted on 09/29/2001 3:59:37 AM PDT by acnielsen guy
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To: dennisw
The best part for you Fred is that our problems with these crazies don't end tomorrow if we abandon Israel. It only makes these crazies more bold. This has been Israel's experience. A new generation of Islamic Jihadists is being trained in Pakistan and other impoverished Islamic nations.

Look, I didn’t say we should “abandon Israel”. This current crisis is an AMERICAN crisis, not an Israeli crisis. I resent foreigners in small nations telling us that “America has already lost the war”. That’s a damned insult, and I don’t want their damned opinions, whether they are Israelis or Argentineans. Are you an American, or are you an Israeli? Make up your mind.

Even if there was no Israel, Osama Ben Laden would attack us. He wants no USA presence in the MidEast and we have a huge presence there to protect the flow of oil.

I know what these guys want. I’ve interviewed many of their kind. They want a new Arabian Empire in the world. They’ve got tremendous egos and they think Arabians deserve to rule the world. This is just like when the Japs wanted to rule the world and the Nazis wanted to rule the world. It’s the same thing. This doesn’t have much of anything to do with Israel. If we didn’t need their oil, we would have wiped them out long ago. You got some Israeli oil to sell us? You want to help? Then go out an invent a substitute for Arab oil. But in the meantime I think Israelis need to stay out of this. Their interests are not our interests. Their interests are too selfish and racist. Americans are tired of being caught up in that old Isaac-Ishmael family dispute. Abraham should have never thrown Hagar and Ishmael out in to the dessert. That wasn’t a Christian thing for him to do.

124 posted on 09/29/2001 6:35:47 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: Magician
Memo to Sheva: there was nothing metaphysical about the planes that slammed into the World Trade towers. Your defeatist, fatalistic hand-wringing adds nothing to the discussion.
125 posted on 09/29/2001 6:50:56 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: Vinomori
Bump to get this up for others read
126 posted on 09/29/2001 7:32:29 AM PDT by jokar
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To: IceCreamSocialist
Didn't this Israeli author state that he thinks he knows how to defeat Islam without killing anyone? What is his secret recipe for victory in a religious war?

I was asking the same question in another post. I would like to ask the author that.

As to Abraham, no where in the Bible does it say he "heard voices." Just something to think about.

What is YOUR religion? EVERYONE has a religion, whether you admit it or not.

127 posted on 09/29/2001 8:31:17 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: RasterMaster
just say 'no' to the plo! LET'S ROLL!!!
128 posted on 09/29/2001 8:35:10 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Magician
The obvious "successes" of Israeli policy would seem to give his judgement an appropriate degree of confirmation. I guess if our objective were to conquer the world we are indeed failing.
129 posted on 09/29/2001 8:36:18 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Ditto
syria, sudan, iran, iraq, plo, et al will do and say anything right now to avoid our wrath agains terrorists and the nations that house the likes of the hamas, hizbollah, al-qaeda, etc. forming an alliance with islamic nations that appease their radical muslim murdering base is ludicrous.
130 posted on 09/29/2001 8:37:31 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Ditto
syria, sudan, iran, iraq, plo, et al will do and say anything right now to avoid our wrath agains terrorists and the nations that house the likes of the hamas, hizbollah, al-qaeda, etc. forming an alliance with islamic nations that appease their radical muslim murdering base is ludicrous.
131 posted on 09/29/2001 8:37:37 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Magician
Just another Jewish Nazi pissed because the US won't use nukes to help him and Israel commit genocide. Nothing new about this,although most are far more subtle.
132 posted on 09/29/2001 9:25:49 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: A CA Guy
Guess that means the pro-drug addiction people here at FR would advocate legalizing terrorism as they wish drugs to be.

Ok,LIAR. Show us just ONE poster here on FR who is "pro-drug" additction. You are pathetic.

133 posted on 09/29/2001 9:36:10 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Zadokite
Christian Identity=Nazism

Although there is a certain amount of cross-pollination and syncretism going on among various far-right groups, Christian Identity and Neo-Nazism are quite distinct.

Christian Identity offers a convoluted, Old Testament gloss to traditional anti-Semitism. It appeals to folks who have to tell their mommas or their wives, "It's OK that we hate blacks and Jews, dear, because God and Jesus told us it's OK." On the other hand, Nazis don't worry about that kind of thing - they are way beyond excuses. When you've got Adolf Hitler as your standard-bearer, what else have you got to be embarrassed about?

Christian Identity is most closely related to the Klan.

134 posted on 09/29/2001 10:32:39 AM PDT by Who is George Salt?
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To: Magician
They slaughtered you in the name of Allah and now the President calls on you to pray to him.

Oh, I guess when the KKK kills people supposedly in the name of Christ, all Christians should stop praying in His name?

Since when do we let evil people who misuse the name of God stop us from worhipping and praying to God?

Besides, according to the Bible of the Judeo-Christian faith, Allah is NOT the God we worhip anyway. ( and not simply another name for God)

This is of course just one of so many holes... in your negative whiney defeatest post for losers.

Speak for yourself.

We are winners.
It is precisely the fact that we are winners that we are targets... they are losers who try to hide their inferiority behind blame, and desperate terrorists acts. "The terrorist act is a self-referential event, a self-congratulation that smothers the feeling of inferiority in one glorious blaze of spite."

136 posted on 09/29/2001 11:56:30 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: sneakypete
Just another Jewish Nazi pissed because the US won't use nukes to help him and Israel commit genocide. Nothing new about this,although most are far more subtle.

Israel has its own nukes, they can use them rather than pushing the US to do it for them.

138 posted on 09/29/2001 12:01:21 PM PDT by madrussian
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To: Magician
true statement you have made ... no Christian should hate the Jew according to Romans 9, 10 and 11, even though they nationally have rejected the Gospel until the Tribulation ... otherwise, very good article ...
140 posted on 09/29/2001 12:04:49 PM PDT by Bobby777
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