Arabs' resentment of U.S. escalating - Palestinians decry alliance with Israel

Associated Press via Houston Chronicle ^ | September 27, 2001 | Donna Abu-Nasr

[Illbay]

First, notice one major point the analyst--who is an ISRAELI free-market conservative, mind you--makes is that these items were all culled from just ONE DAY'S worth of headlines in the Israeli press.

I think you can dispense, then, with the notion that this is some sort of "aberration". It is, instead, what you are dealing with in Israel.

Israel deserves no more adulation in the way the do things, than FRANCE does, that much is clear.

And as far as "winning friends and influencing people": I don't suppose you'd consider it reasonable of me to tell you to stop putting forth your opinions since there are "plenty" here and elsewhere on FR who don't agree with you.

I have noticed that as soon as folks like you run out of arguments, the invective begins instead. Means you have nothing else useful to say, I suppose.

[arete]

. It just isn't the way the United States does now or has ever done business.

Oh really. Maybe you can take another look at what we did in a little thing called WWII and ask about what happened to German and Japanese cities. We as a country may not be there yet, but if we continue to lose thousands of citizens at a clip, we as a people will demand that extreme measures be taken. I just happen to believe that we could save many innocent lives if we act right now regardless of how outrageous it may seem. The choice seems fairly clear in my own mind at least. If someone is going to die, I say let it be the people of Baghdad and not the people of New York. If it takes leveling the capital of a terrorist state to stop the madness, then let's get to it.

Richard W.

[BlueLancer]

"So what's the alternative to the genocide that you seem to think is a reasonable course of action?"

200 years from now, I want what remains of their children's children's children's children to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead because their legends tell of fire from the sky.

I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth, shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.

I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with "If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you", and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obesience.

I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea .. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness.

How about THAT for a solution?

[Torie]

I don't think I have ever told anyone on this forum to stop posting their opinions, and indeed have had many pleasant dialogues with those with whom I have little or nothing in common politically, less in common indeed than I have with you.

I have noticed that as soon as folks like you run out of arguments, the invective begins instead. Means you have nothing else useful to say, I suppose.

The great thing about this forum is that our posts are out there for review. Folks will make their own minds up about the substance of what each of us is saying, and how we say it, and that is good enough for me.

[Illbay]

Maybe you can take another look at what we did in a little thing called WWII and ask about what happened to German and Japanese cities.

The intention was never to kill civilians. Collateral damage occurred, of course. But the plan was NOT terror, but destruction of strategic materiél.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are notable exceptions, of course, but even then the idea was to sacrifice some lives to save many, many more. Not unlike the "shoot-down" order that has now been given for hijacked aircraft.

[Mark17]

Reptile alert.

[PhilipFreneau]

REPENT, for the kingdom of God is near!!!!

I agree that the kingdom of God is near. Very near. And when the judgement comes, you will be bluntly asked why you were a pacifist. You will be sternly reminded that pacifism does not deter murderers and tyrant, but rather provides aid and comfort to them. Get that? Pacifists and murderers are allies.

[arete]

The intention was never to kill civilians. Collateral damage occurred, of course. But the plan was NOT terror

I see you choose to not mention Dresden, Germany which was pretty much burned to the ground after day after day of fire bombing. Is the just another exception? What was the intention there? Surely nothing more than terror I suspect.

Richard W.

[AMMON-CENTRIST]

Thou shall not kill

I believe this is one of the commandments we must uphold.

And you don't know what's going to be asked and judgement day.

[Illbay]

What was the intent of the allied bombing of Dresden?

[arete]

What was the intent of the allied bombing of Dresden?

To lock the Germans out of the fine china market perhaps?

Richard W.

[PhilipFreneau]

David killed Goliah. So how did God judge him? Like this:

"Nevertheless for David's sake did the LORD his God give him a lamp in Jerusalem, to set up his son after him, and to establish Jerusalem: Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite." (1 Kings 15:4-5)

And how did Jesus refer to David? Jesus said,

"I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16, the last book of the Bible)

So, the "killer" David was not only perfect in all his ways according to God (except, of course, in his adultery), but Jesus gave David the ultimate honor.