Found these quotes from Quran, are they accurate? (posted 9/20/2001)

JW

[jwa3]

I found these quotes from the Quran. They were posted on this site. Are these accurate quotes from the Quran? Is there a Muslim that could clarify this for me?

[Le-Roy]

   Well, gee...I don't know, myself.

   Let's see what the owner of the site thinks.

[angkor]

Can I assist you in HTML'ing this?

It's completely unreadable, no paragraphs, etc.

[Russell Scott]

In other words, just another deceptive cult. I feel for all the suckers enslaved by this nonsense. Jesus is the "way, the truth, and the light" period. Muhammad was just a good writer who wrote a fantasy book about a make believe god. Sounds a lot like L. Ron Hubbard.

[Blade]

Why do you fear people reading the Koran?

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

This should be interesting. I didn't read the whole post because of the formatting, but I read enough to get my interest peaked. If they are from the Quran, then it seems to me that the Muslims who say that Islam is not about violence probably don't believe those teachings/quotes are relevant anymore. Or are they being taken out of context here?

Are there any Islamic people on FR who can shed some light on this?

[angkor]

Presumably, this is what you meant to say:

http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking/

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal

A thorough study of Quran and Hadiths reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of Muslims. Islam as it is taught in Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of intolerance, inequality, violence, discrimination, superstition, fanaticism, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of the minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers and the dissidents. Apostasy in Islam is the biggest crime, punishable by death. Muhammad was a fundamentalist himself therefore fundamentalism cannot be separated from true Islam. Islam, which means submission, demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his Allah, a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I reject Islam a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b) because of the absurdities in Quran.

a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship with Aisha a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans, his burning of the palm plantations, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies and his revenge on his captured prisoners of war disqualify him as a decent human being let alone the messenger of God

b) An unbiased study of Quran shows that far from being a “miracle” that book is a hoax. Once Quran is scrutinized with rational thinking, almost every sentence proves to be false. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities and grammatical errors. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in Quran? Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many “captive” women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.

This site scrutinizes Islam with Rational Thinking. It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the probing of reason. It asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It promotes unity of humankind, equality between men and women, abolition of prejudices and freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.

In a world that has become so technologically advanced that even the poorest nations that cannot feed themselves boast having sophisticated nuclear and biological weapons, small misunderstandings can cause catastrophic results. Religion has always been the biggest source of misunderstanding. For religion, people are ready to die, kill and destroy everything else. Only a religious person would believe that he would go to paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a religious person has no regards for the lives he destroys because their faith is not right. In the past century Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise, and with that terrorisms, revolutions, and upheavals ensued. Millions of lives were lost and still counting. Let us pause for a moment and take a second look at Islam. We may just have made a mistake.

The reason I think Islam is harmful and must go is not due to the fact that Quran says Earth is flat or the stars are missiles that Allah fires at the jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop the conversation of the exalted assembly. These tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing the non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive, because it is a danger; a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our species.

Ali Sina

[wastoute]

One thing is clear. There is a tree in the world that bears poisonous fruit. We have a choice, we can pluck a few of the specimens, rub our hands, and congratulate ourselves on such a job well done, and leave the tree there for our grandchildren to be threatened by. Or we can cut the tree down. Sure there will be those who bemoan the loss of "such a pretty tree". Realistically, we are not morally obliged to sacrifice our offspring to it. Nuc 'em now.

[angkor]

Now, as for the question "are these accurate," there are several extant versions of the Koran, and interested folks might want to check alternate references here at Yahoo.

There seems to be varation from one translation to the next, just as there is in the various renderings of the Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah.

[xclusiv1]

Do a Goggle search on the Koran. The above is true.

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

I don't doubt that it's true. I just wonder why there are so many non-violent Muslims given what's in the Koran.

[Hank Kerchief]

Until, last tuesday, 18 other moslems were "non-violent."

The others are ust waiting.

Hank

[muawiyah]

In the Koran "unbeliever" does not include Christians and Jews (the "people of the Book who have received a Divine Revelation from God), and arguably Hindus and Buddhists.

Osama Bin Laden's movement not only holds that Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists are "unbelievers", it also holds that Seveners, Twelvers and other branches of Shia are "unbelievers", and they have actually tried to kill these folks.

At the moment 2,000,000 Afghani refugee Shi'ites are exiled to Iran as a consequence of these erroneous beliefs.

The entire Taliban operation is a manifestation of apostasy of the worst sort. Not only have they abandoned Islam in favor of Pushtan tribal traditions, they have also announced to the world that they are the only "pure" Moslems around.

All of those bloodthirsty phrases out of the Koran that are presented above should, if they were still operative, be applied by most Moslems to the Taliban and to Osama Bin Laden. Not only that, they should vew those phrases as placing an obligation on them to kill them.

[Stat Man]

Same reasons there are so many Mormons who don't practice polygamy, Jews who don't eat kosher food, etc., etc. Generally speaking people practice "Buffet-Style" religion, picking and choosing which tenets of a belief system to adhere to. And even if a person agrees with ALL of the teachings of a particular religion, living up to them is a far more difficult proposition. If I were a Muslim, I think I'd rather be one frowned on by the clergy for my disobedience, instead of a blessed-by-Allah suicide bomber.

[Will]

More details found at the following site (very enlightening about a subject of which Westerners know very little):

TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS

[John Locke]

The answer is that almost all the above paraphrases have been take out of context and distorted. Time is short, so I'll give you only one example:

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191)

Here, on the other hand, is what the sura al-Baqarah actually says:

2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

2:192 But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

I don't think anyone on Free Republic would disagree with the above.

[angkor]

I'm quite familiar with that site.

Very enlightening.

[angkor]

Well, God does do a great deal of smiting and smoking in the Bible.

Big Daddy is a very frightening deity.

Why should the Koran be different?

[Darheel]

Because it specifies the killing of Jews and Christians. In earlier texts, like the Bible, Islam has not been invented yet and is not referred to at all. That's the difference.

[Jack Black]

Of course unbelievers includes Hindus and Buddhits. Neither are "people of the book". Neither believe in the one god. As for Christians and Jews they are to be allowed to live in an Islamic society, but have a very secondary position. (Special taxes, etc. )