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Secret plans for 10-year war: Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion'
The Times (UK) ^ | SEPTEMBER 20 2001 | BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR

Posted on 09/19/2001 7:50:33 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: sneakypete
There is no practical difference between a police state of the left and a police state of the right for the average citizen

Or between a Western "Armageddonite" and the Taliban, excepet for standard of living.

81 posted on 09/20/2001 9:17:20 AM PDT by AGAviator
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To: sneakypete
In other words,expanding the WOD by hitching it to this new and popular wagon.

Say goodbye to any last vestige of financial privacy.

82 posted on 09/20/2001 9:44:43 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: teacher33w
What are we doing to stop an attack on schools?

Nothing. What can we do?

Get rid of the Dept. of Miseducation and NEA?

83 posted on 09/20/2001 9:47:07 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: StriperSniper
>>Say goodbye to any last vestige of financial privacy.<<

Yup,that's already a given. Pretty soon we will all be issued "credits" that we can access electronically and cash will be outlawed,just like in all the science fiction books. The gooberment will be able to instantly track ANY citizen in just a few seconds,and be able to totally shut you down at will by freezing your electronic account and denying you access to your "credits".

ALL in the name of "making us all safer",of course. After all,"it's for the chilrun!"

84 posted on 09/20/2001 9:56:17 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete,hank reardon
Hey, lets not wait for the libs to say "for the children"..lets just go out and kick on of the little bastards for fun. I do adore kids, mine but other peoples are a pain in the turbin. Ever try to eat at a family restaurant with the brats yelling, running around, throwing food and their yuppie parents acting like dolts unable to make them behave. I say, kick the kids, good.
85 posted on 09/20/2001 10:21:08 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: MarkWar
"In the middle east, only Israel is our friend. It's _that_ simple."

Yeah, but it won't be long before plenty of others will be standing on one knee with a cheezy smile asking, "Please, please, please, can we be your friends too? We'll even be friends with Israel, we promise!"

Heh heh heh heh heh...

86 posted on 09/20/2001 10:32:21 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: aculeus
The war on terrorism could be likened, they said, to the war on drugs or poverty, and the best way to undermine and eventually dismantle the terrorist structures around the world was to use the method of “hearts and minds” — encouraging foreign governments and people to join in the “war” so that terrorists would be isolated and identified.

Gee, just like the war on drugs and poverty. If that's the case, the terrorists ought to be happy today.

87 posted on 09/20/2001 10:39:03 AM PDT by King of all Conservatives
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To: StriperSniper
What are we doing to stop an attack on schools?
Nothing. What can we do?
Get rid of the Dept. of Miseducation and NEA?

Amen!

88 posted on 09/20/2001 10:40:10 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: farmer18th
>(1) If they were experts, we wouldn't be fighting this now.
(2) Perhaps I should remind you that the only success we had in the first wave of this attack, were the brave "non-expert" men on that Pennsylvania flight...
(3)If this is their plan, it would be more patriotic to be a draft dodger.

(1) Yep.

(2) Yep. It's taking our "experts" weeks to find out who did what and how to respond. Those "average" Americans had minutes -- 18 or 20 minutes? -- to figure out what had happened, what was going to happen, and what to do about it. And they did it. There are no words to describe the hearts and souls and minds of those people. They were Americans. That word says it all.

(3) Just before I sat down to type this, CNN did a long story about how the Government now reports that "Infinite Justice" isn't really going to be the name of the middle east campaign, that it was leaked prematurely. CNN went on to explain that the phrase offends Muslims because only Allah can dispense infinite justice. So the Government is going to change the name of its war...

Our leaders are changing the name of the coming war to avoid offending the people our soldiers are going over to kill. Our leaders are changing the name of the coming war to avoid offending the people who incited the terrorists to come over here and murder thousands of innocent Americans.

Are these "leaders" worthy of the people from that Pennsylvania flight?! Are these "leaders" worthy of the soldiers who will go fight and die carrying out their orders?! Are these "leaders" worthy of this country?!

Some one, some how, needs to do an Oliver Cromwell and clean out DC... Mark W.

89 posted on 09/20/2001 12:28:56 PM PDT by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
Some one, some how, needs to do an Oliver Cromwell and clean out DC...

There used to be a public house in Boston called "Cromwell's Head", according to Esther Forbes, that required all the patrons to duck under the signboard and thus "bow" to Cromwell. We need someone with his zeal now...
90 posted on 09/20/2001 1:09:26 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: vooch, alexandre, vojvodina, robbinsj, oxi-nato, Pericles,

They point to the campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. Although the airstrikes fitted more closely to the “old doctrine concept” of using massed firepower to target the enemy, which brought criticism from many parts of the world, Nato was also seen to be working as a humanitarian agency with its operation in Albania helping to build shelters for the thousands of refugees pouring out of Kosovo.

This is to be the global equivalent of our "glorious" war against the Serbian people? God help us.

91 posted on 09/20/2001 1:19:47 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: aculeus, randalcousins
The UKers are soiling themselves with the prospect that America may withdraw from Euro-duties.
92 posted on 09/20/2001 2:05:17 PM PDT by Pericles
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
You noticed that too? I can't believe they used that analogy. Have they no sense of _irony_?

I'm beginning to worry they have no sense, period. They also used the "war on poverty" analogy. They're trying to turn this thing into a frigging JOBS program.
93 posted on 09/20/2001 2:08:38 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: sneakypete
Cheney was not quoting Churchill or anyone else. And whatever word for criminals he might've used, THAT's what he meant. He clearly stated that we cannot fight terrorists with "good guys" alone.
94 posted on 09/20/2001 10:10:55 PM PDT by Califreeper
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To: Travis McGee
My concern is the ultimate motives of the Bush Administration. Will it use this crisis to further a global new world order, or Empire, or to defend the Republic?

The appended is offered as a possible mix of other special forces that may be involved in the effort.

"Achtung! Hier kommen die KSK!

Western politicians have swung into a whirlwind of important meetings in response to the terrorist attacks in America. Mr. Chirac has been to Washington, Mr. Blair to Berlin, and so on. Chris Patten, the EU foreign affairs commissar, gave in a radio interview a huge list of inter-ministerial meetings he was attending this week as proof that something is being done even though many might be forgiven for thinking that it is business as usual for him. One thing seems certain: the Americans want the British SAS to go into Afghanistan. But the Germans might get a slice of action too. On 19th September, the German parliament approved by a massive majority the principle that the German army would co-operate with the Americans in the war against terrorism. A huge demonstration was organised in front of the Brandenburg gate in Berlin to show support for the US. A poll for Die Woche shows a large majority of Germans in favour of American strikes, even though most Germans do not want their army to get involved.

There have therefore been high-level talks between the US and Germany. At the centre of German-American discussions are "secret" plans (reported in the newspapers) about how Germany might participate. An elite commando of the German army is said to be eliciting special interest among security bods in Washington: the KSK or Kommando Spezialkräfte (Commando Special Forces). A German general told the FAZ that, "Special intervention forces like the KSK are the things which Western armies lack most keenly." Western armies, he said, had only 3,000 such troops who could capture presumed terrorists and their accomplices. Another senior German army officer said that the KSK might be better even than the US Delta Force since the KSK, having originally been trained by the SAS, was better at fighting terrorism and capturing persons.

Looking a little like Darth Vader, or like the SS, the men of the KSK wear a black uniform with black masks and helmets. They are laden with guns and equipped with the latest radio and infra-red equipment. The KSK was created in 1996 after Belgian paras had to rescue two journalists from Deutsche Welle out of Rwanda. If the German commando is sent into Kabul, it is likely to be accompanied by both British and French special forces and also perhaps by American special troops of which there are some 40,000 in the US forces. The French would be likely to send their 13th parachute regiment (known as Dragon) as well as their own elite unit, Commando de Renseignement et dAction Profondeur, or CRAP for short." [Udo Ulfkotte, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 19th September 2001

] (From: EUROPEAN FOUNDATION INTELLIGENCE DIGEST ISSUE 126)

95 posted on 09/20/2001 11:33:24 PM PDT by robbinsj
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To: robbinsj
These kind of guys are MUCH more dangerous when they are wearing a suit, workman's coveralls, or a delivery service uniform. Trust me.
96 posted on 09/20/2001 11:56:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: aculeus
A ten year non-war war that was a dismal failure? Viet Nam, anybody? Rule #1 of war: Know when to quit. Know when you have won or lost. "hunting terrorists until further notice" is not a war, it is a never ending saga that, I predict, won't be pretty for anyone. (except for the SEALs, who will make the middle east their big playground)
97 posted on 09/21/2001 8:22:16 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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