Posted on 09/19/2001 10:47:16 AM PDT by XBob
It pretty much boils down to that. If you believe the answer is "yes," as I do, then you must consider that the lives of 10,000,000 to 30,000,000 of your countrymen at stake. In fact, they are in far more imminent danger than they ever were in WWII. Therefore, we must at least consider a response on the same order as our response to Hitler. "
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What happens the next time? Osama bin Laden probably already possesses several suitcase nukes
Mr chamberlain, you're no Churchill
Mr chamberlain, you're no Truman
Mr chamberlain, you're no Eisenhower
Mr chamberlain, you're no Reagan - "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down that wall."
Mr chamberlain, you're no Bush SR. (on Kuwait) - "This will not stand."
Mr chamberlain, you're no Bush Jr. "Stop terrorists or share their fate."
Mr chamberlain, you're donh !!!!!!! donh walking.
Have you started walking yet don?????
So you believe in rigged polls now. Where was that poll taken, among the Palestinians?
From my personal experience, and personal contacts, at least 90% of the moslems abohore this atrocity.
So you believe in rigged polls now. Where was that poll taken, among the Palestinians?
From my personal experience, and personal contacts, at least 90% of the moslems abohore this atrocity.
donH says - Gee - don't do anything, you might make them mad
This kind of rhetoric is also popular with pugnacious drunks in bars. We don't go to war to preserve our knightly honor, or show what men-who-don't-back-down we are. We go to war to achieve something tangible that we need for our survival. There is little to gain from demanding Ben Laden this instant, except by way of appeasing american sensibilities, we can get him later, far cheaper. It will not materially affect the terrorist solders already in place, and imagining that capturing Ben Laden and his lieutenants will magically cause terrorism to diminish due to the increased fearful respect other countries will then have for us has eaten too many lotus blossoms. Ben Laden will be replaced 10 minutes after he is arrested, and unless you are ready to draft every able-bodied american for guard duty, we are not going to be standing over Islam dictating what's in their sermons and radio shows.
I'm a pretty serious bloodthirsty war-monger, and think we should be at war continuously if we are to maintain an effective military. But I'd urge you to remember the tankman's prayer. "Please don't spend my life in battle to gain nothing."
These terrorists have made us look like total fools, in a move that could have been designed by experts to assure that we would stumble into war in Afganistan. Why do you assume we aren't going to be even bigger fools if we do?
How smart would it be to make sure world islam opinions toward america are greased by america stumbling around like an overgrown bully, inventing ever more doubtful, creative new international excuses for being an aggressor against one of the poorest and least organized countries in the world, before unleashing Anthrax on the general US population?
Does this clever plane attack on the World Trade Center bear the earmarks of fundamentalist religionists, or does it smell more like a layered, sophisticated psy-ops action? It astonishes me that more people don't feel played by this attack on Afganistan. You don't cure being had, by being had bigger.
donH says - Gee - don't do anything, you might make them mad
This kind of rhetoric is also popular with pugnacious drunks in bars. We don't go to war to preserve our knightly honor, or show what men-who-don't-back-down we are. We go to war to achieve something tangible that we need for our survival. There is little to gain from demanding Ben Laden this instant, except by way of appeasing american sensibilities, we can get him later, far cheaper. It will not materially affect the terrorist solders already in place, and imagining that capturing Ben Laden and his lieutenants will magically cause terrorism to diminish due to the increased fearful respect other countries will then have for us has eaten too many lotus blossoms. Ben Laden will be replaced 10 minutes after he is arrested, and unless you are ready to draft every able-bodied american for guard duty, we are not going to be standing over Islam dictating what's in their sermons and radio shows.
I'm a pretty serious bloodthirsty war-monger, and think we should be at war continuously if we are to maintain an effective military. But I'd urge you to remember the tankman's prayer. "Please don't spend my life in battle to gain nothing."
These terrorists have made us look like total fools, in a move that could have been designed by experts to assure that we would stumble into war in Afganistan. Why do you assume we aren't going to be even bigger fools if we do?
How smart would it be to make sure world islam opinions toward america are greased by america stumbling around like an overgrown bully, inventing ever more doubtful, creative new international excuses for being an aggressor against one of the poorest and least organized countries in the world, before unleashing Anthrax on the general US population? What a fine result from an attack that was supposed to pursuade the rest of the Islam world to refrain from supporting terrorism.
Does this clever plane attack on the World Trade Center bear the earmarks of fundamentalist religionists, or does it smell more like a layered, sophisticated psy-ops action? It astonishes me that more people don't feel played by this attack on Afganistan. You don't cure being had, by being had bigger. What we are about to do is thoughtless to the point of being insane, and does no honor to the memories of those recently lost in whose name this reprisal is being launched.
When are you walking to work????? Please get off your mouth and walk, like you are pleading. As it was such a terrible thing, you should not be using any gas from the mid-east, period.
I love the kalaidoscopic way your mind siddles up to a logical syllogism. I also objected to the killing of witches in the Middle Ages. Does that mean I am morally forbidden to read the Bible? If I object to the use of money to buy heroin, does that mean I can't use money?
I do not know if we will meet in the middle, but, we will meet.
"Measured" response, indeed. There's a reason we normally restrain ourselves from sending armies after individuals in foreign countries, and it's not just restraint out of courtesy. Before the first shot is fired, this is already destined to be a war on islam, and so much for the so fine distinction between the terrorists, and those upstanding moderate islamic governments that are on our side.
New experiments in the idea of war, like officially declaring war without declaring who the enemy is, is opening Pandora's box. From an international legal perspective, how is what we will now have to do different from what the terrorists do?
This is a bad idea into which far too little thought has gone, from stem to stern. Bush cannot leave this deployed army standing idle for very long, and he cannot dismantle it and bring it home. He is locked into providing the terrorists with what they need to justify mass attacks in the eyes of the islamic world, which is probably just what they intended when they crashed the planes.
What is this inordinate interest you have in heroin??? You are going to have to use something to get your drugs. don't use gas you are unwilling to defend.
WALK WALK WALK!!!!!!
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"Before the first shot is fired, this is already destined to be a war on islam, and so much for the so fine distinction between the terrorists, and those upstanding moderate islamic governments that are on our side. "
Please tell this to President Mubarak, and see what he says, the moderate moslem that these very same people tried to kill three times when I was in Egypt, with bombs and bullets.
as I said before, who says we are going to Afghanistan?
Yes, and he supported owning them also. That is what makes me laugh so much at all the blacks who turned muslim.
One interesting, and little known fact is that the holy land of Islam, Saudi Arabia, did not outlaw slavery of men until 1964. I don't think salvery of women is still allowed either, but, as a good moslem friend of mine said, when I asked him how many children he had, he said 3. 3 boys and 2 girls. Owing to the problem with language, I asked him again, in arabic, to which he again replied, 3, 3 boys and 2 girls.
There are many fine Moslems who are my friends, but some do have some different customs than we do.
From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
We are considered a "Christian Nation" by the Muslims
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