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Welcome to the club "We're All Israelis Now"
Independent Media Institute. AlterNet.org ^ | 09.18.01 | Mark LeVine

Posted on 09/19/2001 7:42:33 AM PDT by jasowas

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To: anniegetyourgun,a history buff,punster,JeepInMazar,Samaritan
FYI
41 posted on 09/19/2001 10:52:58 AM PDT by jasowas
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To: AshleyMontagu
Stop projecting. That is what the shrinks call it. Go do something productive. Give blood. I did. Raise funds.

Be sure to put an American flag on your car. I did, it made me feel so great.

42 posted on 09/19/2001 10:54:35 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Doctor Stochastic,Restorer, RnMomof7,Righty1
FYI
43 posted on 09/19/2001 10:55:36 AM PDT by jasowas
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To: veronica
ahem
44 posted on 09/19/2001 10:57:57 AM PDT by jasowas
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To: jasowas
A strike at the pillars

By George Will

WASHINGTON -- Tuesday's warfare, waged against civilians, may transform America's mind and hence its future because of this stark fact: The death toll could exceed all America's battle deaths from the Revolutionary War up to the Civil War (8,428). And those casualties came to a country inured to wars then under way.

Tuesday's war deaths, the first within America since 1865, should banish the recent sterility of political argument, the sheer littleness of budget-surplus fetish. The worst domestic terrorism -- Oklahoma City -- catalyzed the revival of the Clinton presidency because it underscored the curdled rhetoric of some Republicans' general hostility to America's government. Now history's worst episode of terrorism may strengthen the connection between President Bush and a country that has been suspending judgment about his presidential stature.

He can invest that stature in reforming military forces still configured for the Cold War, a configuration continued from the Second World War, anticipating mobilization of heavy firepower on battlefields known in advance of the battles. Perhaps reconfiguration will now receive a more respectful hearing in Congress than the reflexive rallying of legislators around dubious weapons and bases -- the Defense budget as jobs program. Forces for large conflicts are still needed; so are more nimble forces.

Since the inquisitorial Senate hearings of 1975-76, the CIA has been a casualty of the Vietnam-era culture wars. And the leveling impulse now colors criticisms of the FBI, another elite institution in which honor is partial compensation for demanding duties. These are front-line forces in what Israel's former prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, calls "a war to reverse the triumph of the West."

Surely Washington will see less of Yasser Arafat, the most frequent foreign visitor to Clinton's White House. Surely we will hear less talk about Israel's attempts to pre-empt terrorism being "inflammatory" and "provocative." Such signs of U.S. irresolution and squeamishness tempt terrorists to believe they can bend U.S. policy.

The Middle East is one coup (in Egypt or Jordan) away from a convulsion radically inimical to Israel. However, as Netanyahu said Wednesday by telephone from Jerusalem, Islamic radicalism regards Israel as Nazi Germany regarded Belgium -- as a small steppingstone toward a much larger conquest.

In 1967, on the eve of the Six-Day War, Egypt's President Nasser proclaimed: "We are confronting Israel and the West as well."

Netanyahu says: "The soldiers of militant Islam and Pan-Arabism do not hate the West because of Israel; they hate Israel because of the West." They hate "Zionism as an expression and representation of Western civilization." And they hate America because it is the purest expression of modernity -- individualism, pluralism, freedom, secularism.

A grim illustration of the law of unintended consequences: Vast U.S. support helped create a large cadre of Islamic fighters to defeat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The cadre is now worldwide. And although Americans are denouncing the terrorists' "cowardice," what is most telling and frightening is their lunatic fearlessness.

As an Islamic militant, Abdullah Azzam, declared to an American crowd in 1988: "After Afghanistan, nothing is impossible for us anymore. There are no superpowers. ... What matters is the willpower that springs from our religious belief." Islamic groups in Italy and Denmark were linked to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Among the papers of El Sayyid Nosair, charged with but not convicted of killing Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York in 1990, was this: "We have to thoroughly demoralize the enemies of God ... by means of destroying and blowing up the towers that constitute the pillars of their civilization, such as ... the high buildings of which they are so proud."

In his 1995 book, "Fighting Terrorism," Netanyahu forecast that Islamic fundamentalists would be the "delivery systems" of increasingly lethal terrorism. Tuesday they delivered to Manhattan two 198-ton bombs -- fully fueled aircraft. When they get nuclear weapons, Netanyahu says, they will use them. So U.S. policy must respond to a closing window of opportunity for pre-emption.

That, says Netanyahu, means not going after needles in haystacks, but against the haystacks -- the states that sustain terrorists. U.S. forces at Midway, he says, did not just destroy Japanese planes, they sank their carriers. Certain supportive states are the terrorists' carriers. Hitler, notes Netanyahu, developed V-2 rockets but not atomic devices. Stupendous American determination produced the Manhattan Project. Now more prodigies of determination are required. As Oklahoma City was a pinprick compared to Tuesday's carnage, the New York and Washington attacks were a minor overture to the cymbal-crash crescendo of violence our enemies are building toward.

45 posted on 09/19/2001 10:58:22 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
Where's Kudzu? Was he flying one of the planes? Or did the FBI pick him up?

They are certainly sticking to the company line-blame Israel for everything, Islam is peace. They certainly find themselves in a pickly now that the terrorists that they have supported as long as they killed Jews have moved on to the "Sunday people" as many have predicted.

I wonder how much of their "charity" money over the years fell into Bin Laden's hands? And I wonder if the cops will be paying some of them a visit in the near future, now that their heroes have resumed killing Americans.

46 posted on 09/19/2001 11:03:57 AM PDT by newwahoo
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To: jasowas
This is from a left wing website that hosts such luminaries as David Corn, Alexander Cockburn, Molly Ivins and Robert Scheer.

Why no barf alert?

47 posted on 09/19/2001 11:07:07 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: jasowas
Why is it you people are siding with the folks who murdered over 5000 Americans? You should explain that to us all.
48 posted on 09/19/2001 11:07:22 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Inyokern, DistantVoice
This is from a left wing website that hosts such luminaries as David Corn, Alexander Cockburn, Molly Ivins and Robert Scheer.

Isn't it bizarre that some so-called "American Conservatives" post material and seem to agree with the radical, radical LEFT? Can you explain this phenomenon to me?

49 posted on 09/19/2001 11:10:16 AM PDT by veronica
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To: newwahoo
Where's Kudzu? Was he flying one of the planes? Or did the FBI pick him up?

I think Kudzu is a woman

Passin Pilgrim Lamotha Astonished Kudzu Flat

50 posted on 09/19/2001 11:10:33 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: jasowas
ahem

Can you tell us all why you like these hard Left wingers? America's enemies? We are waiting.

51 posted on 09/19/2001 11:13:33 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Inyokern, vrwc54, Thinkin'Gal
BTTT.
52 posted on 09/19/2001 11:15:43 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Inyokern
I found a Muslim that I can pity. The guy who goes home to that!
53 posted on 09/19/2001 11:16:19 AM PDT by newwahoo
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To: BenFinkelstein
"EVERYONE in Israel knows this, but we're supposed to keep quiet."

So it wasn't Bin Laden after all. The Israelis are behind the attacks. Talk about saying that white is black and black is white.

54 posted on 09/19/2001 11:16:39 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: jasowas
We are Americans baby! Palestinian bandits and murderers can suck a big one!
55 posted on 09/19/2001 11:20:24 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Don Myers
"Ben" is an old, banned, Freep disruptor. He's about as Jewish as bacon on a bagel with mayo.
56 posted on 09/19/2001 11:21:32 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
Go back to Archie and Jughead. The grownups can't afford the luxury of living in a comic book anymore. They have to put away the primary-color crayons and wrestle with the chiaroscuro dreams of human beings who are not like us.

We are waiting...

58 posted on 09/19/2001 11:31:38 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Inyokern, veronica, 2sheep, Lent
ROTFLOL!

J Harris

sawgrass

Samaritan


60 posted on 09/19/2001 11:32:28 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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