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1 posted on 09/16/2001 7:26:43 PM PDT by jokemoke
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A little proactivity would not be out of place from Muslim-Americans.

And maybe there is more of that than we think; especially intelligence info over the last week.

41 posted on 09/16/2001 8:03:01 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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It's not American Muslims that worry me---it's the continuing presence of enemies of this country who may be the shock troops of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism who may be planning for a series of sporadic attacks who knows how, who knows where, as soon as ANY military action takes place in the Middle East, whether initially in Afghanistan or elsewhere. I think enough of them are still here to do serious damage, and I don't know what's being done to root them out and detain them.
43 posted on 09/16/2001 8:06:03 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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hat else can we do to help?"

Mr. Masoud has asked the right question. Our country needs the help of all its patriots in this time of need and peril. Millions of Muslim-Americans are good and true citizens. There are special ways that Arab-Americans, indeed all Muslim-Americans can help defend America. This may be one: Arab-Americans should take a central role in identifying effective ways of eliminating Arab terrorists from our midst without injuring the rights or feelings of good and true citizens. Those terrorists swim among us, using the freedoms of our open society to commit atrocities. They must not be allowed to goad us into striking out blindly at good and true citizens of the Muslim faith or Arabic descent. Your country needs you, Mr. Masoud, and all those like you. Help us.

45 posted on 09/16/2001 8:07:59 PM PDT by Whilom
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There is no such thing as a Muslim American. This is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms.

Such an expression can be used only by those who do not know the definition of one or both of the terms in it.

52 posted on 09/16/2001 8:13:19 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: jokemoke, thanks for the post,, pass on to Tarek
Poor Tarek.

How about a word about the persecution (mild word, "SLAUGHTER" is more accurate) of Christians in the Sudan, East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, The Phillipines? That's just this year. Your peace-loving co-religionists have been converting by the sword for 1400 years.

How about you and your fine, upstanding American co-religionists dropping a dime on the terrorists many of you know? Instead, you give them money, places to hide, cars, houses, jobs, papers. You wanna be an American, tell the cops what you know, right now.

How about one of your Arab-American newspapers condemning this act? Instead all we get is weasel-words. And as far as your clerics go, not one condemnation of these monstrous acts.

How about tonight, after you wash your various orifices in keeping with Mohammed's (may praise be upon Him) dictates, you unroll your rug and face the WTC. You might also want to face the fact that while washing is generally a good idea, many other of Mohammed's dictates are incompatible with residence in this country as a free man.

62 posted on 09/16/2001 8:50:16 PM PDT by Francohio
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Generalized suspicion of American Muslims is unwarranted at this point, especially considering that many of the hijackers were apparently foreign nationals.

On the other hand, it's quite reasonable for the FBI to take a close look at Muslim immigrants from Arab nations whose histories indicate any possible connection with terrorist organizations (through family, friends, writings or other sources), or whose actions in recent months parallel those of the hijackers. They'd probably be mobile, have no families here and be interested in skills that could be used in future attacks (demolition, flying planes, etc.), among other indications.

There's no reason to suspect that most American Muslims, especially those with deep familial and community ties here in the United States, are a threat to our security. Law enforcement can be vigilant for possible sleepers without resorting to blanket persecution of all American Muslims based on hysterical stereotypes.

What happened to Japanese-Americans during WWII was wrong, and should not be repeated. There are indicators beyond just skin color or religion that can be used to sniff out genuine threats to national security; hopefully, investigation and not prejudice will decide who becomes a suspect.

74 posted on 09/16/2001 9:20:15 PM PDT by Polonius
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we should be asking, "What else can we do to help?"

Quite correct. And I have a response. Here is something the US Muslim community could do that would really help.

We are about to engage in a war of ideas with the extremists of radical Islamicist sects and parties. I say a war of ideas, because the whole result will turn on the "recruitment" question, on the question of how the rank and file of average citizens in Muslim countries react to the struggle. Laden and company are counting on them reacting by excusing their murder policies, rather than siding with us. For our part we need to carefully aim in order to seperate moderate Muslims from the extremists.

This war of ideas will be decided by where the "split" is located, that define the two sides of the struggle. If the wedge is driven between all Muslims and all non-Muslims, then Laden and company have won. If it is driven between Laden and company and the majority of Muslims, then we have won.

Thus, it is a war of ideas. Laden offers a vision of medieval blood feud as the essence of a world civilization. I've studied that civilization, and I think Laden's rather a cramped and narrow view of it. I find his vision distinctly unappetizing, and can't recognize the Merciful and Compassionate anywhere within it.

The issue of the struggle will turn on whether most Muslims can see and side with a more attractive understanding of their civilization, and one less extremist and hostile to us, than the one Laden is offering. So here is what you can do.

Present such a vision. Preach to the majority of the Muslim world. Regard Laden as a direct competitor to yourselves, for the souls of your fellows throughout the Muslim world, and reach them. Save them from his grasp.

This would be good theology, and good patriotism. It would also be heartily appreciated, and a serious service to your country, your faith, and mankind.

75 posted on 09/16/2001 9:20:26 PM PDT by JasonC
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I agree that no one should harm AMerican muslims.

But there is more to this--

Firstly, WE SHOULD bear in mind, the next time Israel and The palestinians call on us the fact that most Paelstinians celebrated the murder of our people. This is unforgivable and America should NEVER FORGET IT

Secondly, if Arab looking people go on a plane I see nothing wrong with security giving them a little more attention than the other passengers, PC be damned, because otherwise after all this I ain't goin on a plane with a group of Arab men, would you?

Thirdly, we DO need to re-examine and change our immigration policies. These people lived in our country, this was a serious mistake, and again PC be damned we can't afford to make this mistake again.

Fourth, someone on a radio call in show said that this is not a "muslim problem" well, yes and no. most Muslims do not go on suicide bombing runs, no doubt. BUT do we see any other group of people doing this (outside of looney tunes McVey)? NO. Sadly there is a proneness to extreme fanatacism among SOME Arabs, it is a cultural more than a religious thing. And while we should not blame evey Muslim for it there does come with it a special responsibility for all Muslims that do not want to be blamed for that mindset to condemn it and work to root it out. For our sakes and theirs.

86 posted on 09/16/2001 9:49:33 PM PDT by liberalism=failure
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when muslims become americans first and speak out against the infidel and the millions that support him and his actions, then i'll listen. they can help us rat out the militants in their mosques and that they know are in the 'racket' of murderous fatwa/jihad.
89 posted on 09/16/2001 9:55:08 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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This is a wonderful reply by a clear thinking young man, but what scares me is this:

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorism.htm

We are safe if ,like many Christians of this nation who pick and chose the tenets of their faith a la carte, American Muslims do the same. How many do not? Do you know? I don't. Until I get a feel for that I will feel very uncomfortable, especially with all the talk of "sleeper agents" in this nation. Am I a racist because of that? I doubt it. Paranoia is just a heightened sense of reality.

91 posted on 09/16/2001 9:56:01 PM PDT by L`enn
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If you need a religion, pick one which does not preach hate towards "unbelievers". Use your koran to wipe your ass.
94 posted on 09/16/2001 9:59:28 PM PDT by Octar
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In the last few days I've heard Arab/Muslims calling on radio shows and interviewed on television. Each one expresses sorrow for lost lives, etc. and then comes the BUT... After the sympathy come expressions that cast doubt on the sincerity of the sympathy. I try to be fairminded and don't want to see anyone harassed for their beliefs but their reaction leaves me greatly suspcious of our Arab citizens.
96 posted on 09/16/2001 10:07:41 PM PDT by Calpublican
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This is the first evidence I've seen of a "good" Muslim. I've heard them in the chat rooms and on the radio and most seem to be gloating quite a lot over this. I haven't heard of any others condemning the attack.
115 posted on 09/16/2001 11:35:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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Oh---I have to take that back, this is only the SECOND good one I've actually seen or heard from. There was one guy from Pakistan on NPR who did sound good and he seemed pretty concerned about his children and family back home and he did say some good things about the US.
116 posted on 09/16/2001 11:38:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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